This auto censorship is B.S.

[wahwah]

I think all you folks have very valid points and, I think the filter needs to be less...effective shall we say? There's a point to certain stuff...profanity (in the use of JUST words) doesn't bother me as much as using the same words towards something like racism (which I can't abide). I feel this is a turning point for the site. It's grown very large from a village where none of us bothered to lock our front doors, to a metropolis with 50 types of **** to contend with...and I used that word after much thought...even tho you can't see it, you will have a good guess! And maybe that's the point...

Ya know, I detest Golf Clubs...any sport requiring so many rules to do with the play, the attire, the local rules, the club rules, the bar rules, the women only allowed in Women tournaments rules AND the Club Secretary must have some REAL opinionated asses running the score with nothing better to do than post RULES! This site has very FEW rules but I'd hate it to become like a Golf Club.

[El_jalepeno]

Originally Posted by Cherry Lawn

Why would you actually play the game if you found it offensive?
Tell me G... Did you think that it was over the line of PG-13?

I played the game and did not find it offensive. Stupid? Yes. But not offensive. I saw no uncovered tatas, but I am a thigh man by nature...

I am reading these posts with a very serious understanding, as the other Mods and Admins are, and we are discussing amongst ourselves as well. Please do not let our lack of participation lead you to beleive we are not taking this lightly, because we do care what the members want and what is best for the community.

[Riff Addict]

Originally Posted by Cherry Lawn

Why would you actually play the game if you found it offensive?
Tell me G... Did you think that it was over the line of PG-13?

I totally agree that cherry's thread was in no way offensive or vulgar. It was just meant to be a playful and fun game. To delete was WAY over the top. Censoring the word "D I C K" is WAY over the top. I'm starting to feel like I'm on a kids only site. We should add Big Bird and Barney the Dinosaur to the banner at the top.

[Cherry Lawn]

Originally Posted by Riff Addict

I totally agree that cherry's thread was in no way offensive or vulgar. It was just meant to be a playful and fun game. To delete was WAY over the top. Censoring the word "D I C K" is WAY over the top. I'm starting to feel like I'm on a kids only site. We should add Big Bird and Barney the Dinosaur to the banner at the top.

At this point, the site is a kids site because the focus of the site is making it CLEAN for them. That said, the site should not feel responsible for what peoples kids are looking at nor filter out everything that people find offensive because if that is the case you're going to need a lot more moderators to be able to meet each individuals needs...

[Cherry Lawn]

Here's a tool for helping determine the proper rating of the site.

While the MPAA does not publish an official list of all the exact words, actions, and exposed body parts used to determine a movie's rating, some guidelines can be derived based on the MPAA's actual rating decisions.

If a film uses "one of the harsher sexually derived words" (such as ****) once, it is routine today for the film to receive a PG-13 rating, provided that the word is used as an expletive and not with a sexual meaning (this was mentioned in Be Cool, when Chili Palmer complains about the movie industry. Humorously, "****" is said only in that scene, giving the movie a PG-13); exceptions may be allowed, "by a special vote of the ratings board" where the board feels such an exception would better reflect the sensibilities of American parents. A couple of exceptions were noted: rare films such as Guilty by Suspicion were allowed as many as 9 uses of the word; probably due to the precedent set in the 1970s by politically important films such as All the President's Men. It is a common misconception that if a movie uses "****," in a nonsexual context, more than once, it will automatically receive an R rating. In reality, PG-13 movies are routinely allowed two or three uses.
A reference to drugs, such as marijuana, usually gets a movie a PG-13 rating at a minimum. A well known example of an otherwise "PG movie" getting a PG-13 for a drug reference is Whale Rider. The film contained only mild profanity, but received a PG-13 because of a scene where drug paraphernalia was briefly visible. Critic Roger Ebert criticized the MPAA for the rating and called it "a wild overreaction."
A "graphic" or "explicit" scene of illegal drug use will earn a film at least a PG-13 rating and, especially in the case of "hard drugs," even an R rating.
If a film contains strong sexual content, it usually receives an R rating. The film Lost in Translation had a scene in a strip club that had brief topless nudity and a song in the background that repeated the phrase "sucking on my titties." The scene was brief and the rest of the film had PG-13 level content, but the film still received an R rating. In the case of I Capture the Castle, a shot of a topless woman got the film an R rating "for brief nudity." In every other country with a similar ratings system (such as the UK, Australia, and Canada), the film received an equivalent of G or PG.
If a film contains male rear nudity, it is more likely to be given a lower rating than if the nudity were female.
Films that have legitimate historical or educational value are often granted leniency. Some have argued that level of violence in Saving Private Ryan merited an NC-17, but that the film was given leniency because it was a historical war movie. This argument also came up when The Passion of the Christ was released without cuts, with an R-rating.
Ratings criteria is intended to reflect changing norms and compromises between the diverse needs and rights of various interests in a large and complex modern society. Therefore, an evaluation of ratings criteria must specify what year or approximate period of time is being referred to, when modeling the standards relevant to each film classification.

Members of the MPAA's Classification and Rating Administration, which consists of a demographically balanced panel of parents, view the movie, discuss it, and vote on the film's rating. If the movie's producer is unhappy with this rating, (s)he can re-edit the film and resubmit it, or can appeal to an Appeals Board. Appeals generally involve a film which was rated R for which the producer is seeking to have the rating changed to PG-13, or a film rated NC-17 for which the producer is seeking to have the rating changed to R.

[Joe King]

Very well said Cherry, and the motion picture criteria is very clear.


Honestly, if you want to say fucl<, there really isn't a way to stop it.

I'd type a bunch of ways in here, but it would be pointless.

That's as plain as it gets.


Honestly, I never really thought this site was over the top, or out of line in the first place. I thought pretty much everone did a decent job of being civil, as well as not particularly over the top with language in the first place. And those that are trolling for sh!t usually get a face full of it. I have always admired the way the mods step in immediately to quell whatever situation was arising. It showed me they were on top of it. And besides, if something DID come up, they were only a PM away.

In all honesty, as an adult member of the site, (though my wife would debate that), I was kinda bummed when the asterisks popped up the first time. I don't swear on the boards, but wasn't bothered by the seemingly very few that did, and to me it wasn't a big deal.

If the parents of some young guitar player was offended by this site, for god's sakes, keep them away from MX Tabs.


That place was a flamefest. With some of the most vulgar terms I have ever heard being thrown around with no one modding the situation.


I feel it every time another infringement upon speech, or individuality is made.

I think humanity is painting itself in a corner with losses coming daily in the right to say what's on your mind.

I know this is privately owned, and I respect that. But it's discouraging to have Jenna Jameson starring on the Jackson guitar brochures, and Cherry loses a breast size game that had no nudity.


I wonder what the kid's parents would think if the did for some reason bring home a Jackson catologue. For that matter have you seen the guitar?


http://www.music123.com/Jackson-Jenn...-i297509.music


I guess when you can't type in a prober name such as Tommy, and **** Smothers....


Something's very wrong.


J

[stingx]

First of all, Cherry, your titties are not offensive...they're to be considered scientific material. Many cafeful studies should be performed on them. Secondly, I agree with you as strange as that may seem I wasn't looking to rock the boat or **** anyone off. Sometimes I do but it isn't intentional. I like to speak my mind and sometimes that happens. I always thought this to be a forum for adults, not adults as in "adults only"...you get my drift. I have no desire to participate in a kiddie club and if that is the direction that the forum wants to go in thats all well and good. Who am I to dictate how someone else should run their business. I, and anyone else, am always free to leave. I think it's good to at least let the staff know how we feel but it is up to them how they choose to run business. We're pretty much beating a dead horse to death now so let's see what comes of it, if anything, and deal.

[Cherry Lawn]

Originally Posted by Joe King

Very well said Cherry, and the motion picture criteria is very clear.


Honestly, if you want to say fucl<, there really isn't a way to stop it.

I'd type a bunch of ways in here, but it would be pointless.

That's as plain as it gets.


Honestly, I never really thought this site was over the top, or out of line in the first place. I thought pretty much everone did a decent job of being civil, as well as not particularly over the top with language in the first place. And those that are trolling for sh!t usually get a face full of it. I have always admired the way the mods step in immediately to quell whatever situation was arising. It showed me they were on top of it. And besides, if something DID come up, they were only a PM away.

In all honesty, as an adult member of the site, (though my wife would debate that), I was kinda bummed when the asterisks popped up the first time. I don't swear on the boards, but wasn't bothered by the seemingly very few that did, and to me it wasn't a big deal.

If the parents of some young guitar player was offended by this site, for god's sakes, keep them away from MX Tabs.


That place was a flamefest. With some of the most vulgar terms I have ever heard being thrown around with no one modding the situation.


I feel it every time another infringement upon speech, or individuality is made.

I think humanity is painting itself in a corner with losses coming daily in the right to say what's on your mind.

I know this is privately owned, and I respect that. But it's discouraging to have Jenna Jameson starring on the Jackson guitar brochures, and Cherry loses a breast size game that had no nudity.


I wonder what the kid's parents would think if the did for some reason bring home a Jackson catologue. For that matter have you seen the guitar?


http://www.music123.com/Jackson-Jenn...-i297509.music


I guess when you can't type in a prober name such as Tommy, and **** Smothers....


Something's very wrong.


J

Thanks for that insightful and well said post.
You brought up one very valid point that I failed to mention.
When Eric owned the site, before it was PG-13, there were never any issues with vulgarity or nudity. The mods did a great job of keeping things running with out any ratings or censorship. This is a great group of people here, trust them and treat them like the adults they are.

[Cherry Lawn]

Originally Posted by stingx

First of all, Cherry, your titties are not offensive...they're to be considered scientific material. Many cafeful studies should be performed on them. Secondly, I agree with you as strange as that may seem I wasn't looking to rock the boat or **** anyone off. Sometimes I do but it isn't intentional. I like to speak my mind and sometimes that happens. I always thought this to be a forum for adults, not adults as in "adults only"...you get my drift. I have no desire to participate in a kiddie club and if that is the direction that the forum wants to go in thats all well and good. Who am I to dictate how someone else should run their business. I, and anyone else, am always free to leave. I think it's good to at least let the staff know how we feel but it is up to them how they choose to run business. We're pretty much beating a dead horse to death now so let's see what comes of it, if anything, and deal.

Hello Newman... I mean stingx...

[sinners swing]

Originally Posted by Cherry Lawn

Probably offensive to some female mod... There was NOTHING sexual about it.
Seriously anyone who found that game offensive has some serious sexual insecurities because as I stated, the pics were CLEAN! Seriously, where do we draw the line here? This is not PG13... this is ****ing G. Right there with nickelodian.com.

I personally didn't care about the bra size game you posted a link to. A few mods thought it was not PG-13 material so I took it down.

In fact i'm not interested in celebrity news or any of that fodder. I think people who get caught up with gossip and what famous people do in their lives have some serious insecurities.

[stingx]

Originally Posted by sinners_swing

I personally didn't care about the bra size game you posted a link to. A few mods thought it was not PG-13 material so I took it down.

In fact i'm not interested in celebrity news or any of that fodder. I think people who get caught up with gossip and what famous people do in their lives have some serious insecurities.

She's a chick. All those show like Entertainment Tonight and Oprah wouldn't exist without them. They watch and concern themselves with all that drivel.

[Joe King]

Originally Posted by sinners_swing

I personally didn't care about the bra size game you posted a link to. A few mods thought it was not PG-13 material so I took it down.

In fact i'm not interested in celebrity news or any of that fodder. I think people who get caught up with gossip and what famous people do in their lives have some serious insecurities.

Okay... then explain "The Lounge" and "Entertainment" forums....


Everyone posting there is insecure?


Actually 99 percent of the posts there are seriously humorous more than anything. I haven't ever seen anyone mention "The National Enquirer" without a smirk there.

[Rock The Nation]

what the **** is wrong with saying ****? Who cares...who honestly gets offended from that ****? Censorship is a bunch of horse ****, I don't see how much longer this can cun-tinue, hehe.

[sinners swing]

Originally Posted by Joe King

Okay... then explain "The Lounge" and "Entertainment" forums....


Everyone posting there is insecure?


Actually 99 percent of the posts there are seriously humorous more than anything. I haven't ever seen anyone mention "The National Enquirer" without a smirk there.

Actually 99 percent of the threads in "The Lounge" and "Entertainment" aren't celebrity gossip. Go look through them again.

So everybody who found the breast size game not within PG-13 policy is sexually insecure?

Lee owns this site and pays the bills for this site, he has every right to lay down the rules as to what he wants to do.

[Cherry Lawn]

Let's get real here...

One person was offended so the thread was started in the mods room and the thread was deleted. ****s OMG! How awful!

As for my threads, they appear to be a draw because LOTS of people are reading them so, if posting what I find funny banter about celebs deems me insecure in your eyes SS... Then there are alot of insecure people at this site.

Tell ya what... Have RAIN, your enetertainment moderator or heck, do it yourself...delete the celeb gossip thread, delete the music news thread...
delete the Supernova thread and the American Idol thread... Delete EVERYTHING I've done. I didn't put the effort into tose threads to be insulted.

Not once in my posts in rebut to the thread deletion did I insult anyone... But if that is the only way you can communicate SS then you can have this site because I don't need the BULL**** ok you ****ING *******! Sorry but the whole PG-13 thing doesnt FLY. You're running a G rated site... Call ****ING DISNEYLAND!