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Old 10-12-2005, 10:15 AM   #31
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We just spell things properly (read : difficultly). You guys just economised everything.

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Old 10-12-2005, 10:17 AM   #32
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Well, IT is a pretty broad term, what exactly is it that you do do?

Right now I do a little programming, a little networking, a little of everything, but next week I start my new job where I do programming pretty much exclusively. I'll be writing code in C++ using the Win32 API...no MFC, no .NET...

This is basically an entry level position and I'll be getting 48k. What does an "IT" guy over there get? I think 48 is a good, fair amount but I know some other people make quite a bit more for the same type of work.

I test software for the routing of mobile phone messages through a network.

So when it leaves your phone and gets into the network, i.e. received by a Short Message Service Centre, then I'm testing the software provided from our company to make sure it gets where it's supposed to, follows the right route and produces the right output and the right billing information is performed.

All integrated, so I'm supposed to know about all these different systems a customer could use, without receiving proper training.

Basically, I look at the customer's requirements and make sure our software adheres to them. If not, I write a bug report and then wrestle with development over whether it is a problem or not...

I started on £16k straight out of university, and am now approaching £40k. People who stayed with IBM when I bailed out are approaching up to £60k, so maybe I made a bad move that way, who knows.

You can earn up to £100k upwards in this industry over here, but you have to become a right arrogant twat for that, and though I know a lot of people on here will believe I already fit into that mold, I'm nothing compared to the arrogant wanker standard in this industry, and I have no desire to adhere to that standard...

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Old 10-12-2005, 10:18 AM   #33
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Im right there with ya! I am exe desktop support for BP here in chicago. Once again we are going through a contract change. Same job , different name on the pay check.
How are you judged out there in terms of qualifications? Certifications used to be the big thing here but now its more about have some kind of business back ground or Bachelors Degree.

It's more years experience than anything, and you can pretty much bullshit your way into any job if you've touched what they work on, so long as you have x years experience in that kind of sector.

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Old 10-12-2005, 10:20 AM   #34
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It has always made me wonder. You sound out that U?

Come now, you're all really trying to sound French aren't you...


Yeah, we say the "k" in k-now, and the "p" in p-sycho as well don't you know..



We just do it to make it a difficult language for foregners to learn so we can identify them more instantly...

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Old 10-12-2005, 10:23 AM   #35
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Yeah, we say the "k" in k-now, and the "p" in p-sycho as well don't you know..



We just do it to make it a difficult language for foregners to learn so we can identify them more instantly...

hahahaha That was funny! Foreigners!
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Old 10-12-2005, 10:26 AM   #36
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I started on £16k straight out of university, and am now approaching £40k. People who stayed with IBM when I bailed out are approaching up to £60k, so maybe I made a bad move that way, who knows.

You can earn up to £100k upwards in this industry over here, but you have to become a right arrogant twat for that, and though I know a lot of people on here will believe I already fit into that mold, I'm nothing compared to the arrogant wanker standard in this industry, and I have no desire to adhere to that standard...

Hmm...well your starting seems kind of low but it is about what my other offer was to do misc IT shit where I'm currently working for peanuts. On the other hand 40k pounds beats my 48k $ by about 22k so...

100k pounds ends up being 175k $ and I don't think there are very many people making anywhere near that where I live. Maybe a few in Intel or Microsoft. I don't think there are many 6 figure earners in the IT industry anymore...too swamped with shiny new college students.
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Heres a question for you Brits.
How have your attitudes changed since the London Bombings?
Obviously our American reaction to 9/11 was lets blow them all up but has it created any stereotypes, racism for the UK?
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Old 10-12-2005, 10:29 AM   #38
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Yeah, we say the "k" in k-now, and the "p" in p-sycho as well don't you know..



We just do it to make it a difficult language for foregners to learn so we can identify them more instantly...

Hehehe...ain't that the truth. From what I understand, English is one of the hardest languages to learn worldwide. Right up there with Chinese.

I know some Chinese, and the grammar is certainly easier...even as a native speaker I don't know how to talk good english If it wasn't for the tones and the complex characters Chinese would probably be fairly easy to learn.
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Hmm...well your starting seems kind of low but it is about what my other offer was to do misc IT shit where I'm currently working for peanuts. On the other hand 40k pounds beats my 48k $ by about 22k so...

100k pounds ends up being 175k $ and I don't think there are very many people making anywhere near that where I live. Maybe a few in Intel or Microsoft. I don't think there are many 6 figure earners in the IT industry anymore...too swamped with shiny new college students.
At first I thought you where off but your right. Wow! $175,000
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Hmm...well your starting seems kind of low but it is about what my other offer was to do misc IT shit where I'm currently working for peanuts. On the other hand 40k pounds beats my 48k $ by about 22k so...

100k pounds ends up being 175k $ and I don't think there are very many people making anywhere near that where I live. Maybe a few in Intel or Microsoft. I don't think there are many 6 figure earners in the IT industry anymore...too swamped with shiny new college students.

My starting was back in 1997, and was straight into a big company like IBM.

It was more than my family were on, but then, that's why I went to University for, to get that all important degree to get me on the first rung in this industry.



I'm not trying to brag about anything here, in fact, i think I'm underpaid, re: my previous comment that my friend's who remained at IBM are on 10 grand+ more than me.

But hey ho, I live relatively comfoprtably, so I can't complain.

Everyone could always welcome more income, and I still do the lottery like everyone else !

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Heres a question for you Brits.
How have your attitudes changed since the London Bombings?
Obviously our American reaction to 9/11 was lets blow them all up but has it created any stereotypes, racism for the UK?

Differing reactions. It has definitely increased the stereotype towards the Muslim community and immigration as a whole. Also, there's a heightened amount of fear towards terrorism as well.

But then again, that's not everyone's view. I still believe that it's only the most extreme people that do this, and I'm pretty adamant that I am not going to hide away in my own home all the time in fear of the next attack...

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1. What's a "muppet"?

2. Does it get confusing always driving on the wrong side of the road?

3. Whats the legal drinking age?

4. Why "Scotland Yard", how come its not "English Yard"?

5. Is it just me or is "Coupling" the funniest sit-com I've ever seen?
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I would imagine that most Brits feel Americans have totally butchered the English language. I like listening to most Brits talk because everything sounds so proper and well pronounced. However I have heard a form of British English where you can't understand a damn thing they're saying. I forget what the name for this British slang is? Isn't that form isolated to a certain part of England?
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1. What's a "muppet"?

Comes from the Muppet Show I believe. Saying you're stupid. A puppet with someone's hand up yer arse. of course, if this isn't the origins, I've just made a Muppet of myself !


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2. Does it get confusing always driving on the wrong side of the road?
Just cuz you drive on the "right" side of the road, doesn't mean it's the "right" thing to do.

Ya get used to it, again, it's another way of identifying you yanks... That's also why we have so many roundabouts, so we can laugh at your cinfused faces every several hundred metres.



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3. Whats the legal drinking age?
18, though most females have mastered the art of looking older than they do, and almost every town has a "known" under age drinking pub. I myself was in and out of pubs when I was 13, but then I was always a tall lad and my voice broke early.

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4. Why "Scotland Yard", how come its not "English Yard"?
Again, it confuses foreigners. I really haven't got a fucking clue on this one...



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5. Is it just me or is "Coupling" the funniest sit-com I've ever seen?

Never seen it...

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2. Does it get confusing always driving on the wrong side of the road?
A friend from Hong Kong got a license here. They drive like the British in Hong Kong: all backwards is backwards cars. Scarriest ride I ever took. Didn't take me long to catch on that he didn't even percieve my side of the car as being there....so in two lane roads he would drive with his right side against the lane and me sitting in some other driver's lap.

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