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Goport · 10-19-2005, 01:35 PM

ha! I am with the birthday guy (sucka) here. Rap is one of the few music mediums that has not been born of advertising. Sure it is used as a vehicle these days but rap, hip hop goes back 25 years or more and was a genuine voice of disaffected youth in the same way as any meaningful music movement that sprung upon the scene. I know it doesn't sit easy with musicians because they look at it as merely sampling but rap lyrics were always better than the majority of rubbish around in the early eighties.

I am old school in the purest sense - I play a number of instruments and they are my forms of expression. I love guitar based songs - it IS my bag! But I will happily program a drum beat and that is much the same as rap bands building their backing. Invention in music can come from anywhere - whether it is from woodshedding or splicing together beats and music. You don't have to be a virtuoso to write a great song. In fact you don't even have to play an instrument, you just need imagination and a good ear.

There is a load of crap rap acts (there are a good few metal acts over the years that didn't really cut it too - As Beavis and Butthead often highlighted). but any enduring music scene has a few decent performers. And Rap and Rock have often flirted with each other, Ice T (touring with Anthrax) and bodycount, Run DMC with Aerosmith even the Beastie Boys with help from Slayer. Even Eminem and M. Manson have appeared in a video together.

If you are looking for killer riffs then obviously rap/hip hop is not the best place to find them. But lyrically there are some enduring rap/HH acts that are every bit as justified as any rock, soul, act or whatever.

For the record I thought De La Soul were fantastic, As were the Wu-Tang Clan, Public Enemy and NWA. Snoop has had his moments too and Eminem has produced some stunning stuff.

Just my honest opinion and I am sure NRoberts will flame me

**Riff Addict** · 10-19-2005, 01:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Goport

Just my honest opinion and I am sure NRoberts will flame me

Ha..maybe so but I promise I won't.

SuckaInA3Piece · 10-19-2005, 01:44 PM

Awesome post Goport!

I had a friend see De La Soul a few weeks ago along with John Legend, and he had a great time. Said De La were the highlight of the evenings.

VB · 10-19-2005, 01:50 PM

Well said guys... I dont get the commercial shit either.. be it country rock rap or whatever. thats the shit they are selling kids who still are open to the trends and the music biz thrives on. They dont have to like it.. just want it.

Goport · 10-19-2005, 01:59 PM

thanks sucka and Riff and VB - that is it in a nutshell. Commercially viable acts are money in all walks of life and music. Sometimes these acts give a bad name to their chosen genre.

and Sucka? De La Soul are the Shit - I still listen to 3' High regularly now! it is a class album and I am one of the few that still likes De La Soul is Dead

**CanyonCarver** · 10-19-2005, 02:10 PM

Don't like hip hop. It cracks me up that all these rich white kids get into the hip hop scene where we live. My son is a rock and metal person, thanks to my intensive brainwashing since birth

, but he shows a real aversion to hip hop. I tell him to chill out about the whole thing.

After all, it's just personal taste. It's almost like religion: I can find 100 good reasons why I'm this way, and you'll another 100 reasons to tell me I'm wrong and need to join your faith or whatever.

One of these days hip hop will morth with marriachi music or someting else, and the hard core hip hop folks will get their baggy pants in a bunch over it, crying bloody jihad about how the latinos are ruining rap, or something like that.

I say chill out.

**Riff Addict** · 10-19-2005, 02:14 PM

Maybe my original post was a tad on the angry side..

but I must respect everyone's points. Most R&B annoys me too when its considered a majority interest...for example, if you stopped most people on the street and asked them to name an Alicia Keys song, they'd probably stare at you like a dear in headlights without a clue but if you asked them to name a song from any known rock or country band, they would have no problem naming a song. Same thing with Mary J. Blighe (spelled?) You hear their names all the time but who the hell are they?

I hate these boy pop groups too that call themselves bands....geez.

**Jeffery Bravo** · 10-19-2005, 02:38 PM

Rap/ and hip hop are forms that ghetto people express themselves with.

That's fine and all, and some i heard is entertaining, some of it's very degrading.
I just don't equate it with music.
I hate all records/cds tat get all the vid/radio play that more deserving ARTISTS get. The only way to combat that is to support the real musicians, local and internatonal, and turn your freinds and family onto it. Most ppl haven't heard much real music. I have gotten at least a dozen ppl to check out bands like Symphony X, Yngwie, Kenny Wayne Shepard, Buddy Guy, Dream Theatre.
It's word of mouth, you gotta expose ppl to real music, cause radio and mtv are no
longer doin that (well hardly).
Hip Hop is overrated section 8 ghetto /trailor trash noise. period.
Flair for the Gold-buy my CD.

ericgtr · 10-19-2005, 02:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SuckaInA3Piece

I won't try to convince anyone to like rap music, but there are rappers and producers behind the musics that are musicians. Most of the crap that you see on MTV and VH1 is commercial hip-hop, and is not true to the art form that is rap.

You want real rap check out:

Pete Rock
Gang Starr
Talib Kwali
Mos Def
De La Soul
A Tribe Called Quest
Consequence
Little Brother
Black Moon
Big Shug

I can go on and on. Being a black man rap music is just as much apart of me as jazz, metal, classical, funk, etc. It's all music, and life's too short too write any genre off IMHO. I will say that commercial rap is shit though. Underground hip hop is where my heart is.

Sucka, I am just as much for this as I am against non-musicians in rap. Any form of expression or style with music played with real instruments is A okay in my book. I am also not against rap or hip hop itself I am just against those who call canned beats music is all. It's like calling poetry music, it just doesn't fit to me.

Cherry Lawn · 10-19-2005, 03:32 PM

I loved Snoops "BEAUTIFUL"

Beautiful, I just want you to know (Oh-hooo!)
You're my favorite girl... (Ehh... oh yeah, there's something about you...)

I know you gon' lose it, this new Snoop shit
Come on baby boo, you gotsta get into it (Oh-hooo!)
Don't fool wit the playa with the cool whip
Yeah-yeah, you know I'm always on that cool shit
Walk to it, do it how you do it
Have a glass, lemme put you in the mood and, (Oh-hooo!)
Lil' cutie lookin' like a student
Long hair, wit'cha big fat booty
Back in the days you was a girl I went to school wit
Had to tell your moms and sister to cool it (Oh-hooo!)
The girl wanna do it, I just might do it
Here to walk wit some pimp-pimp clue wit'
Mommy don't worry, I won't abuse it
Hurry up and finish so we can watch "Clueless" (Oh-hooo!)
I laugh at these niggas when they ask who do this
But everybody know who girl that you is

[Chorus 2X's]

When I see my baby boo, shit, I get foolish
Smack a nigga that tries to pursue it (Oh-hooo!)
Homeboy, she taken, just move it
I asked you nicely, don't make the Dogg lose it
We just blow 'dro and keep the flow movin'
In a '64, me and baby boo cruisin' (Oh-hooo!)
Body rag interior blue, and
Have them hydralics squeakin' when we screwin'
Now she's yellin', hollerin' out Snoop, and
Hootin', hollerin'; hollerin', hootin' (Oh-hooo!)
Black and beautiful, you the one I'm choosin'
Hair long and black and curly like you're Cuban
Keep groovin', that's what we doin'
And we gon' be together until your moms move in... (Oh-hooo!)

**Riff Addict** · 10-19-2005, 03:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cherry Lawn

I loved Snoops "BEAUTIFUL"

Beautiful, I just want you to know (Oh-hooo!)
You're my favorite girl... (Ehh... oh yeah, there's something about you...)

I know you gon' lose it, this new Snoop shit
Come on baby boo, you gotsta get into it (Oh-hooo!)
Don't fool wit the playa with the cool whip
Yeah-yeah, you know I'm always on that cool shit
Walk to it, do it how you do it
Have a glass, lemme put you in the mood and, (Oh-hooo!)
Lil' cutie lookin' like a student
Long hair, wit'cha big fat booty
Back in the days you was a girl I went to school wit
Had to tell your moms and sister to cool it (Oh-hooo!)
The girl wanna do it, I just might do it
Here to walk wit some pimp-pimp clue wit'
Mommy don't worry, I won't abuse it
Hurry up and finish so we can watch "Clueless" (Oh-hooo!)
I laugh at these niggas when they ask who do this
But everybody know who girl that you is

[Chorus 2X's]

When I see my baby boo, shit, I get foolish
Smack a nigga that tries to pursue it (Oh-hooo!)
Homeboy, she taken, just move it
I asked you nicely, don't make the Dogg lose it
We just blow 'dro and keep the flow movin'
In a '64, me and baby boo cruisin' (Oh-hooo!)
Body rag interior blue, and
Have them hydralics squeakin' when we screwin'
Now she's yellin', hollerin' out Snoop, and
Hootin', hollerin'; hollerin', hootin' (Oh-hooo!)
Black and beautiful, you the one I'm choosin'
Hair long and black and curly like you're Cuban
Keep groovin', that's what we doin'
And we gon' be together until your moms move in... (Oh-hooo!)

Gee, how intelligent those lyrics are.

Carmine · 10-19-2005, 03:52 PM

I'm down with hip-hop, my nizzles!

I like

Nelly
Snoop ( I'm with ya on Beautiful, Cherry.)
Usher
Ludacris
Missy Elliot
Outkast
BEP
Run DMC
Salt-n-Pepa
Eminem

and pretty much anything from the 80's and 90's.

**mewisemagic** · 10-19-2005, 04:51 PM

Commercial Rap does absolutely nothing for Me as it promotes hate and condones mistreatment of women and total disrespect to society as a whole.I believe old school Rap had a message and it's place in society,but what it has come to is just about as ridiculous as the multitude of stupid hair bands that were forced at us in the late 80's.I am a lover of all genre's of music!Carm and I were talking a while back and had the same philosophy in that if it sounds good,It is good!No matter how old or what genre

Can I get a Hell Yeah or an Amen people

**jimmerwoo** · 10-19-2005, 04:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mwm5150

Can I get a Hell Yeah or an Amen people

Yo yo Yo, Amizzzen....Know whatahmsayin'...uhh...uhhh...yeah...

**mewisemagic** · 10-19-2005, 04:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jimmerwoo

Yo yo Yo, Amizzzen....Know whatahmsayin'...uhh...uhhh...yeah...

Blindboy Loonz?

10-19-2005, 01:35 PM	#16
Goport excess to requirements Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Portsmouth, England Posts: 7,378	ha! I am with the birthday guy (sucka) here. Rap is one of the few music mediums that has not been born of advertising. Sure it is used as a vehicle these days but rap, hip hop goes back 25 years or more and was a genuine voice of disaffected youth in the same way as any meaningful music movement that sprung upon the scene. I know it doesn't sit easy with musicians because they look at it as merely sampling but rap lyrics were always better than the majority of rubbish around in the early eighties. I am old school in the purest sense - I play a number of instruments and they are my forms of expression. I love guitar based songs - it IS my bag! But I will happily program a drum beat and that is much the same as rap bands building their backing. Invention in music can come from anywhere - whether it is from woodshedding or splicing together beats and music. You don't have to be a virtuoso to write a great song. In fact you don't even have to play an instrument, you just need imagination and a good ear. There is a load of crap rap acts (there are a good few metal acts over the years that didn't really cut it too - As Beavis and Butthead often highlighted). but any enduring music scene has a few decent performers. And Rap and Rock have often flirted with each other, Ice T (touring with Anthrax) and bodycount, Run DMC with Aerosmith even the Beastie Boys with help from Slayer. Even Eminem and M. Manson have appeared in a video together. If you are looking for killer riffs then obviously rap/hip hop is not the best place to find them. But lyrically there are some enduring rap/HH acts that are every bit as justified as any rock, soul, act or whatever. For the record I thought De La Soul were fantastic, As were the Wu-Tang Clan, Public Enemy and NWA. Snoop has had his moments too and Eminem has produced some stunning stuff. Just my honest opinion and I am sure NRoberts will flame me __________________ "All right, but apart from the sanitation, the medicine, education, wine, public order, irrigation, roads, a fresh water system, and public health, what have the Romans ever done for us?"

10-19-2005, 01:44 PM	#18
SuckaInA3Piece Cult Of Personality Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Philadelphia Posts: 7,198	Awesome post Goport! I had a friend see De La Soul a few weeks ago along with John Legend, and he had a great time. Said De La were the highlight of the evenings. __________________ "I'm not out to prove jack shit. I just do what comes naturally, and it scares people." Eddie Van Halen '04 Far as I’m concerned, Eddie’s the complete package. Technique aside, his rhythm playing, feel, songwriting, tone, riffs, leads, man, it’s all there. It’s like the best-tasting beer you ever drank in your life! ~Zakk Wylde

10-19-2005, 01:50 PM	#19
VB Buried all my heros Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Selling sno cones in hell ! Posts: 2,685	Well said guys... I dont get the commercial shit either.. be it country rock rap or whatever. thats the shit they are selling kids who still are open to the trends and the music biz thrives on. They dont have to like it.. just want it. __________________ I'm trying to imagine you with a personality VBs home page Fender Fans In memory of JLB Having probs with your guitar or recording.... try here Guitars 101 How To's

10-19-2005, 01:59 PM	#20
Goport excess to requirements Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Portsmouth, England Posts: 7,378	thanks sucka and Riff and VB - that is it in a nutshell. Commercially viable acts are money in all walks of life and music. Sometimes these acts give a bad name to their chosen genre. and Sucka? De La Soul are the Shit - I still listen to 3' High regularly now! it is a class album and I am one of the few that still likes De La Soul is Dead __________________ "All right, but apart from the sanitation, the medicine, education, wine, public order, irrigation, roads, a fresh water system, and public health, what have the Romans ever done for us?"

10-19-2005, 02:14 PM	#22
Riff Addict Some Heads are gonna Roll Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Central Texas Posts: 2,946	Maybe my original post was a tad on the angry side.. but I must respect everyone's points. Most R&B annoys me too when its considered a majority interest...for example, if you stopped most people on the street and asked them to name an Alicia Keys song, they'd probably stare at you like a dear in headlights without a clue but if you asked them to name a song from any known rock or country band, they would have no problem naming a song. Same thing with Mary J. Blighe (spelled?) You hear their names all the time but who the hell are they? I hate these boy pop groups too that call themselves bands....geez. __________________ http://www.judaspriest.com Rockin' the World since 1973. http://www.robhalford.com/quorum/ Halford/Priest Forums

10-19-2005, 02:10 PM	#21
CanyonCarver Metal Missionary Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 6,856	Don't like hip hop. It cracks me up that all these rich white kids get into the hip hop scene where we live. My son is a rock and metal person, thanks to my intensive brainwashing since birth , but he shows a real aversion to hip hop. I tell him to chill out about the whole thing. After all, it's just personal taste. It's almost like religion: I can find 100 good reasons why I'm this way, and you'll another 100 reasons to tell me I'm wrong and need to join your faith or whatever. One of these days hip hop will morth with marriachi music or someting else, and the hard core hip hop folks will get their baggy pants in a bunch over it, crying bloody jihad about how the latinos are ruining rap, or something like that. I say chill out.

10-19-2005, 02:38 PM	#23
Jeffery Bravo BRAVO TIME Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Il. Posts: 3,218	Rap/ and hip hop are forms that ghetto people express themselves with. That's fine and all, and some i heard is entertaining, some of it's very degrading. I just don't equate it with music. I hate all records/cds tat get all the vid/radio play that more deserving ARTISTS get. The only way to combat that is to support the real musicians, local and internatonal, and turn your freinds and family onto it. Most ppl haven't heard much real music. I have gotten at least a dozen ppl to check out bands like Symphony X, Yngwie, Kenny Wayne Shepard, Buddy Guy, Dream Theatre. It's word of mouth, you gotta expose ppl to real music, cause radio and mtv are no longer doin that (well hardly). Hip Hop is overrated section 8 ghetto /trailor trash noise. period. Flair for the Gold-buy my CD. __________________ Inspired by God. Like Boston, Journey,Van Halen and Styx? Check out my band and get my Cd at: jefferybravo.com and for music samples pics and lessons. also check:http://www.myspace.com//jefferybravo

10-19-2005, 03:32 PM	#25
Cherry Lawn .·:Cherry Bomb:·. Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: CALI! Posts: 2,803	I loved Snoops "BEAUTIFUL" Beautiful, I just want you to know (Oh-hooo!) You're my favorite girl... (Ehh... oh yeah, there's something about you...) I know you gon' lose it, this new Snoop shit Come on baby boo, you gotsta get into it (Oh-hooo!) Don't fool wit the playa with the cool whip Yeah-yeah, you know I'm always on that cool shit Walk to it, do it how you do it Have a glass, lemme put you in the mood and, (Oh-hooo!) Lil' cutie lookin' like a student Long hair, wit'cha big fat booty Back in the days you was a girl I went to school wit Had to tell your moms and sister to cool it (Oh-hooo!) The girl wanna do it, I just might do it Here to walk wit some pimp-pimp clue wit' Mommy don't worry, I won't abuse it Hurry up and finish so we can watch "Clueless" (Oh-hooo!) I laugh at these niggas when they ask who do this But everybody know who girl that you is [Chorus 2X's] When I see my baby boo, shit, I get foolish Smack a nigga that tries to pursue it (Oh-hooo!) Homeboy, she taken, just move it I asked you nicely, don't make the Dogg lose it We just blow 'dro and keep the flow movin' In a '64, me and baby boo cruisin' (Oh-hooo!) Body rag interior blue, and Have them hydralics squeakin' when we screwin' Now she's yellin', hollerin' out Snoop, and Hootin', hollerin'; hollerin', hootin' (Oh-hooo!) Black and beautiful, you the one I'm choosin' Hair long and black and curly like you're Cuban Keep groovin', that's what we doin' And we gon' be together until your moms move in... (Oh-hooo!)

10-19-2005, 03:52 PM	#27
Carmine Original G Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: on the dance floor Posts: 11,007	I'm down with hip-hop, my nizzles! I like Nelly Snoop ( I'm with ya on Beautiful, Cherry.) Usher Ludacris Missy Elliot Outkast BEP Run DMC Salt-n-Pepa Eminem and pretty much anything from the 80's and 90's.

10-19-2005, 04:51 PM	#28
mewisemagic "She doesnt remember who you are Brah" Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Texas Posts: 6,185	Commercial Rap does absolutely nothing for Me as it promotes hate and condones mistreatment of women and total disrespect to society as a whole.I believe old school Rap had a message and it's place in society,but what it has come to is just about as ridiculous as the multitude of stupid hair bands that were forced at us in the late 80's.I am a lover of all genre's of music!Carm and I were talking a while back and had the same philosophy in that if it sounds good,It is good!No matter how old or what genre Can I get a Hell Yeah or an Amen people

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