Anyone else Anti Hip-Hop!

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<<<<ANTI HIP HOP!!!!!

[the rock]

Originally Posted by Teleplayer324

I see rap and hip hop as the modern equivalent of the blues. Now I'm not talking about the stuff you see on mtv or hear on most radio stations, but the "real" stuff, groups like sucka mentioned. Think about it, the blues started out as field calls and turned into a way to vent pain and fustrations. The same thing rap and hip hop does now, using a musical form to vent the pain and point out the social injustices.

What social injustice....???
In America there are laws, and they complain when they break the law repeatedly, show no respect to anyone (not even themselves), and you can't compare that BS to blues. Blues is around 4-ever. Rap stars are remembered maybe for a year or to until anotha sucka takes his/her place.
The worst is when white ppl try to rap, and act like they are from the streets...
they look foolish, and da only street they is from is sesame street.

[P.J.]

Originally Posted by the rock

What social injustice....???
In America there are laws, and they complain when they break the law repeatedly, show no respect to anyone (not even themselves), and you can't compare that BS to blues. Blues is around 4-ever. Rap stars are remembered maybe for a year or to until anotha sucka takes his/her place.
The worst is when white ppl try to rap, and act like they are from the streets...
they look foolish, and da only street they is from is sesame street.

Seems to me that White people also looked like fools when it came to the Blues too. Remember a guy named Pat Boone? Well everytime I see video of him singing "Tutti Fruity" I wanna go and run and hide somewhere.

Blues is around 4 ever this is true - but like it or not so is Rap and Hip Hop. There are a few Rap artists that will live forever like it or not.

The mark of a good soldier is the ability to adapt and overcome.

[Mad-Mike]

Even though I vehemently hate hip-hop, I will admit one thing, it's no different than the 50's when the older set (and some more mature younger set) threw a fit about Rock N' Roll. Then crazier incarnations came out, and the trend continued. Now it's 2005, we're all complaining about Rap, same as rock in the 50's.

Either way, I still hate Hip Hop (grabs cane and chases kids off his front lawn), jebus, I'm 22, and I already sound like an old geezer.

[nroberts]

What I hate more than hip hop is what they try to pass off as "Soul" music these days.

"My body all over your body...it feels so good..." BLECH...and chicks DIG that??!! That is supposed to be romantic??!!

How about some fucking RESPECT for fuck's sake. The soul left soul music decades ago.

And nobody did rap better than Anthrax.

"I'll whipe my butt with your..." ... "...FACE!"

[Blues=]

Rap bites.
Always has, always will.

It's not only violent, anti-social and sexist. But it's got to be the most racist shit I've ever heard.

I play blues, I'm white and I'm 37.
I don't act, dress or talk like an old black sharecropper.
Whats up with these kids? Why do they need to act like they came from the inner city?

Rob

[Goport]

Originally Posted by Blues=

Rap bites.
Always has, always will.

It's not only violent, anti-social and sexist. But it's got to be the most racist shit I've ever heard.

I play blues, I'm white and I'm 37.
I don't act, dress or talk like an old black sharecropper.
Whats up with these kids? Why do they need to act like they came from the inner city?

Rob

Funny - I am 39 as of a few days ago. I am possibly the worst example of english working class white. But Rap is more than what you have catalogued here.

Rap and Hip Hop has always been a sound board for freedom of speech. Sure some of it really sucks and displays a low brow view of life. And I agree there is some pretty insulting content. On the plus side however, there are many acts out there that step over these boundaries and make rap progressive and still manage to make it new and vibrant.

Blanket statements are too easy to make and require even less conscious thought. Rap can be intellectual. It can be challenging. More importantly it doesn't have to be all the things you mention. And thankfully it isn't. It is a VALID form of expression. Others have said on this very thread that rappers "sexist" lyrics are no worse than some heavy rock acts. And indeed some pop acts.

I think Joe Strummer said "back in the garage with my bullshit detector" and he got it right in 1977. It is a valid remark. There is so much rubbish you have to filter through the dross until you find something of value. Rap is the same. Some of it sucks and some of it is genuinely ground breaking.

If you want to write off the whole medium then fine. But as someone said earlier in this very thread - Rap is the new blues. It is just that. It is freedom of expression and embraces technology - just as blues did all those years ago. and for every Bill Broonzy, Bobby Bland, RJ etc there were a million others that didn't get it and focused on the most low rent aspects of the music.

Time filters out the dross. When I was born in 1966 the beatles and Beach Boys, Dylan, Velvet Underground, Otis, Stones etc were in full swing. It was a classic moment in time for creativity. Yet on the day I was born Jim Reeves was at #1 in the uk charts with distant drums (hardly groundbreaking or genre defining material.) Yet the 60's will be remembered for the greats.

I digress - dismiss rap and you dismiss a whole genre of music. Most of it is fair to middling, some of it is garbage .. but there are some real gems. Same goes for any music.

[Blues=]

Show me one blues song that portrays women like rap does.

Rob

[Teleplayer324]

Originally Posted by Blues=

Show me one blues song that portrays women like rap does.

Rob

Ever listen to Robert Johnson? His stuff was considered pretty racy for the time. What you hear in rap is no different than what you heard in alot of the 80's metal bands, they are just a bit more up front about how they say it.
It wasn't rap artists that were all over the news for trashing hotels, having lines of groupies in and out of those same rooms and all the other excesses associated with rock and roll.
How many rappers have OD'd the way rockers have?
I'm not saying rap is for everyone, I'm not even saying I listen to much of it, what I am saying is that there is nothing being done or said in rap that hasn't been done or said before in rock or blues. Rappers are just more upfront about how they phrase things and don't hide what they are saying behind trite allegories so that they can sneak it past a major record label.

[Blues=]

I don't want to start a " yes it is, no it isn't" argument.

But I just don't agree.

I see a difference between, glorifing groupy sex and singin about killin cops and slappin Hoe's.

If I had the patience to listen to a bunch of rap I would site specific lyrics.

Rob

[P.J.]

Originally Posted by Goport

Funny - I am 39 as of a few days ago. I am possibly the worst example of english working class white. But Rap is more than what you have catalogued here.

Rap and Hip Hop has always been a sound board for freedom of speech. Sure some of it really sucks and displays a low brow view of life. And I agree there is some pretty insulting content. On the plus side however, there are many acts out there that step over these boundaries and make rap progressive and still manage to make it new and vibrant.

Blanket statements are too easy to make and require even less conscious thought. Rap can be intellectual. It can be challenging. More importantly it doesn't have to be all the things you mention. And thankfully it isn't. It is a VALID form of expression. Others have said on this very thread that rappers "sexist" lyrics are no worse than some heavy rock acts. And indeed some pop acts.

I think Joe Strummer said "back in the garage with my bullshit detector" and he got it right in 1977. It is a valid remark. There is so much rubbish you have to filter through the dross until you find something of value. Rap is the same. Some of it sucks and some of it is genuinely ground breaking.

If you want to write off the whole medium then fine. But as someone said earlier in this very thread - Rap is the new blues. It is just that. It is freedom of expression and embraces technology - just as blues did all those years ago. and for every Bill Broonzy, Bobby Bland, RJ etc there were a million others that didn't get it and focused on the most low rent aspects of the music.

Well Porty we are about the same age. But I have to disagree with you on this one.

Rap is not the new Blues - not even close man. And I'm not trying to take anything away from Rap or Hip Hop. But the two styles aren't even close to comparing history wise.

Actually you can trace Blues roots back to the American Civil War, but lets move ahead a little.

In the early days of the Blues - when the black folks started coming up North to Chicago out of the cotton fields of Louisiana and Mississippi - they had nothing in common what so ever with todays youth. Those early black musicians experienced a form of racism that is hard to find these days. Blacks couldn't enter a diner or club through the front door - or drink out of the same drinking fountain as whites. They couldn't work the same jobs or even live in the same neighborhoods as their white counterparts. It was blatant racism.

Black kids these days sure enough do run into racism - it's not totally gone. But it's hardly comparable to what it was like back then. The lives of those early Black Bluesman were NOTHING like what todays Rappers and Hip Hoppers have lived through.

Back then - the black Bluesman didn't dress like a Pimp or a Slut either. The TRUE Bluesman would wear a full, nice looking suit. With nicely trimmed hair, and a nice pair of shoes. The women of the Blues didn't dress like whores either and they didn't act like sluts. There is no comparision.

Bluesman of the day also played stringed instruments - guitars, banjo's, harps, upright basses ect. You'd be hard pressed to find a Rap or Hip Hop band where the main instrument used is a stringed instrument. Oh sure there might be a few - but they are the exception and not the rule.

Rap and Hip Hop music theory wise is like night and day. Blues is based on the 12 bar harmonic progression. (One Four Five) You'd be hard pressed to find a Rap or Hip Hop song that uses that as it's musical base.

And if you REALLY wanna get to where the rubber meets the road - Rap was invented by the early Bluesman! Skip James, born Nehemiah Curtis James about 1902 in rural Mississippi near Bentonia, talks about “rappin’ along” in the 1920s. About the same time “Big” Willie Dixon, in Vicksburg, was writing his first song, “Signifying Monkey,” a piece straight out of the age-old convention of “signifying” – better known now as “rapping.”

So to me - I find it a real stretch to say Rap is the new Blues music.

[Blues=]

Originally Posted by Pee Jay

Well Porty we are about the same age. But I have to disagree with you on this one.

Rap is not the new Blues - not even close man. And I'm not trying to take anything away from Rap or Hip Hop. But the two styles aren't even close to comparing history wise.

Actually you can trace Blues roots back to the American Civil War, but lets move ahead a little.

In the early days of the Blues - when the black folks started coming up North to Chicago out of the cotton fields of Louisiana and Mississippi - they had nothing in common what so ever with todays youth. Those early black musicians experienced a form of racism that is hard to find these days. Blacks couldn't enter a diner or club through the front door - or drink out of the same drinking fountain as whites. They couldn't work the same jobs or even live in the same neighborhoods as their white counterparts. It was blatant racism.

Black kids these days sure enough do run into racism - it's not totally gone. But it's hardly comparable to what it was like back then. The lives of those early Black Bluesman were NOTHING like what todays Rappers and Hip Hoppers have lived through.

Back then - the black Bluesman didn't dress like a Pimp or a Slut either. The TRUE Bluesman would wear a full, nice looking suit. With nicely trimmed hair, and a nice pair of shoes. The women of the Blues didn't dress like whores either and they didn't act like sluts. There is no comparision.

Bluesman of the day also played stringed instruments - guitars, banjo's, harps, upright basses ect. You'd be hard pressed to find a Rap or Hip Hop band where the main instrument used is a stringed instrument. Oh sure there might be a few - but they are the exception and not the rule.

Rap and Hip Hop music theory wise is like night and day. Blues is based on the 12 bar harmonic progression. (One Four Five) You'd be hard pressed to find a Rap or Hip Hop song that uses that as it's musical base.

And if you REALLY wanna get to where the rubber meets the road - Rap was invented by the early Bluesman! Skip James, born Nehemiah Curtis James about 1902 in rural Mississippi near Bentonia, talks about “rappin’ along” in the 1920s. About the same time “Big” Willie Dixon, in Vicksburg, was writing his first song, “Signifying Monkey,” a piece straight out of the age-old convention of “signifying” – better known now as “rapping.”

So to me - I find it a real stretch to say Rap is the new Blues music.

Amen!!

[stingx]

Originally Posted by Teleplayer324

How many rappers have OD'd the way rockers have?

How many "rock" artist have been shot leaving a studio...

[Blues=]

Not many.

How many list "proud crack dealer" on their resume.

Rob

[SuckaInA3Piece]

I really can't believe all that I've read here. I really can't. I'd join in again, but what's the point.