09-11-2005, 11:12 AM
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I'm getting signals!
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Cartoonists who animate Musicians Out of Synch...
Ooohhh I frickin' hate that! Whenever someone like the Simpsons, Fred Flintstone or Scooby Doo or whatever play some instruments...the drumming, the guitaring, everything is out of synch!?!
These animators have to synchronise the lip movements, action, etc with Speech and Sound effects. So why not do it for the damn music!
It's not that hard...why does every cartoon character play the guitar by sliding their hands up and down the neck constantly? Every drummer constantly hits the cymbals out of time with the music....
Just having a Rant ... so forgive me...
  
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09-11-2005, 01:06 PM
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Alrighty then.
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They should all be boiled in pudding!!!
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09-11-2005, 02:18 PM
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Da Blooze Guy
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Originally Posted by jimmerwoo
Ooohhh I frickin' hate that! Whenever someone like the Simpsons, Fred Flintstone or Scooby Doo or whatever play some instruments...the drumming, the guitaring, everything is out of synch!?!
These animators have to synchronise the lip movements, action, etc with Speech and Sound effects. So why not do it for the damn music!
It's not that hard...why does every cartoon character play the guitar by sliding their hands up and down the neck constantly? Every drummer constantly hits the cymbals out of time with the music....
Just having a Rant ... so forgive me...
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Well since I do computer animation for a living, the main reason the move the guitarists hands up and down the neck, is so that action reads better. If only the fingers moved it wouldn't make very good animation. You can take an animated character and rotoscope it, that is play a video of a live person and animate your character doing every exact move, and when you're done, the animated character will look just wrong. Exageratioin is the key to character animation. Walt Disney's animators developed 12 basic rules of animation, involving squash and stretch, moving holds, staging, posing etc. This is probably more information than you wanted, but that is the reason they do what they do. 
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09-11-2005, 03:01 PM
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I'm getting signals!
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I take your point about guitarists and giving the impression of more action...But drummers are very active in their playing.
I'm a graphic designer and I understand the necessity to exagerate movement and expression in animation. But it doesn't excuse out of synch mapping when a band is shown playing in a cartoon.
By the way, I was meaning more old-style cell animation than CG.
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09-11-2005, 03:13 PM
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Da Blooze Guy
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Originally Posted by jimmerwoo
I take your point about guitarists and giving the impression of more action...But drummers are very active in their playing.
I'm a graphic designer and I understand the necessity to exagerate movement and expression in animation. But it doesn't excuse out of synch mapping when a band is shown playing in a cartoon.
By the way, I was meaning more old-style cell animation than CG.
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Ahhh, then I think it boils down to the animator has never even tried to play guitar, and doesn't understand how to do it. 
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09-11-2005, 03:14 PM
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I'm getting signals!
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Yeah...Hanna Barbara absolutely SUCKED at it lol
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09-12-2005, 03:58 PM
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Starving Artist
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Hey Rythameen.
I've been a modeler/animator for years.
Just a hobby for me but I've been in Computer arts magazine a few years ago.
Where do you work?
What do you animate?
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