France -the truth - Guitars101

**Jeffery Bravo** · 11-09-2005, 05:58 AM

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**Jeffery Bravo** · 11-09-2005, 06:01 AM

[quote=flair]The media here in the states is reporting that the rioting is by "french youths". Truth be told, they are not, it's being atacked by a bunch of crazy muslim bastards.
France has had this "tolerance thing goin forever", and "accept all and everything.
They have had no morals, no standards, and their country is being overun.
I hope we all learn from this. All countries are at risk, you have to fight sometimes for your standards and morals. IMO if ppl and immigrants don't abide by the countires laws, boot their butts out. the same is happenin in the US.
They are trying to eliminate the word "Christmas" cause it has Christ in it.
Public schools can't say the Pledge of allegiance.
Fact is, we as a Christian nation need to stand up to this crap, and France needs to defend itself and fight off these bastards.
If not muslims will try to destroy your culture, respect and eventually kill you.
Their Koran refers to all who are not muslims are enemies.
That's a fact , they are the most intolerant of all, as well as many aethists.
If you don't take a stand for somthing you'll fall for anything.
And yes while we are supposed to be a free country, it's what we stand for, burning flags, giving all our maoney to trash that refuse to work, will really mess us up big.
IMO if some jerk doesn't like seeing a cross, they have the right to shut up and turn their heads.
What good is a country w/o standards, and pride.
Fact is muslims hate anyone who aren't them, and they should leave and go back and terrorize their own country, but i hope America and other countries see what really is happening. I hope France can grow a set of balls send their military and destroy these muslim bastards who lived off of their system..free of course/ and in kind return are looting killing and attacking a country that welcomed them. Nice ppl aren't they?
Also regarding many (not all aetheists) who bitch about crosses and churches and such-go to another country and bitch about their beliefs- they will just kill you, and some may say "well I was born here"...good, but a country with no unified belief system always falls (check your history books).

**linda** · 11-09-2005, 06:22 AM

Well to me if they dont like the country and where they are living send them back to their father land or jail them..... its a sad affair

I think if France dont put a stop to it quick we can expect it happening in the uk next... ...i cant understand why France aint rounding them up

Teleplayer324 · 11-09-2005, 06:23 AM

That is one of the most racist, bigotted statements I have ever heard. I wouldn't even know where to begin to so many hate filled words. I am just blown away that that kind of thought still exists in this day and age.

**Jeffery Bravo** · 11-09-2005, 06:33 AM

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Originally Posted by linda

Well to me if they dont like the country and where they are living send them back to their father land or jail them..... its a sad affair

I think if France dont put a stop to it quick we can expect it happening in the uk next... ...i cant understand why France aint rounding them up

I was soo infuriated with what happened to France.

**linda** · 11-09-2005, 06:42 AM

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Originally Posted by flair

I was soo infuriated with what happened to France.

Well to me they have been told to do it.. it will start happening all over soon...its the way its going Flair...our governments let them in and they have rights France told the muslims to give up there head wear in schools..its there religion they are just rebelling like we would... so i think they should be all jailed for the destruction they have caused in France might be a deterrent to others

ericgtr · 11-09-2005, 06:42 AM

Well, at least they can't blame us for this one. Altough they will probably find a way.

The Ulnarian · 11-09-2005, 06:45 AM

Ahh...thanks for clarifying the matter

I had just thought that all those people in France were rioting because they were poor, desparate, scared, and feeling mistreated and angry. I didn't realize that they were just crazy bastards

But, I must respectfully disagree with you about imposing the will of the Christian belief system upon every member of America. Please correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the Bible every bit as exclusive as the Koran (believe in the one true God or go to hell *brrrr*).

This country was formed on the ideals of freedom. And, for good or bad, the founding father's chose the Constitution as the instrument to govern the limits of our freedom, not the Bible. Nowhere in the Constitution is there a clause stating "Thou must follow the beliefs fo the Christian moral code". The founding father's were smart guys, I don't think they would have left this out had they intended as such. In fact, the Constitution seems to imply that people are free to follow the dictates of their own coscience.

It may or may not be true that a country that lacks a universal moral code may fail, I really don't know. However, I do know that the Constitution was set up in order to avoid the rule of a fascist theocracy imposing its will upon society and any such rule would seem to be unconstitutional upon a reasonable construction of the Constutition.

In any case, it is up to the people to decide which direction this country is headed. All I know is that we have a Constitution in place and that it is the people who are free to amend that Constitution should it be deemed necessary to do so. If your assesment of the situation is correct, and if the people care enough to amend the Constitution, they will.

However, if your assessment is correct, and the people just don't care enough to change the dictates of the Constitution, well, all I can say is that the strength of a democracy is measured by the strength of the beliefs of its citizens in that democracy. And when the people has lost belief in a democracy (which I don't think we're anywhere close to that yet), well, either they must regain that belief somehow or go the way of the Roman Republic.

**Jeffery Bravo** · 11-09-2005, 06:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Teleplayer324

That is one of the most racist, bigotted statements I have ever heard. I wouldn't even know where to begin to so many hate filled words. I am just blown away that that kind of thought still exists in this day and age.

Racist eh, well b-4 you atack me with your tolerance thing bro, I am gonna tell you that this has not a thing to do with color. I grew up in chicago, and have friends( ya dude they come to my house i go to theirs), and they are mexican, puerto rican, african american, and ya know what bro many feel the same way.
I love ppl of all colors, my point is a fact jack, Islam and Chritianity don't jive and they hate Christians. I don't feel all muslims are evil , but it is a fact that they consider all others "infidels), so tele- are you a muslim? If not, sorry to say , in their eyes, your an infidel. research it dude. If i am wrong with what i say tell me how. I believe that as a Christian we are called to love all regardless,
you work in a homeless shelter? serve ppl of all creeds and color? ever help batterred women? Ever help a Spanish person get a job? I have done all the above, not because i am gr8, I feel called. i don't expect everyone to agree with me, but dude, don't dare call me a racist. what have you done to help your community, cause i do for all. My point is, if you go to another country respect it, and our country lacks pride and respect, for ourselves and others...look look and listen to what has happened to France, They are saying Germany maye next, and look, open your eyes and look, at the attack on England.
Let me also Clarify-Christians need to walk thier walk more and not just talk.
Love is an action i believe in it.

Teleplayer324 · 11-09-2005, 07:54 AM

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Originally Posted by flair

The media here in the states is reporting that the rioting is by "french youths". Truth be told, they are not, it's being atacked by a bunch of crazy muslim bastards.

Quoted from the French Prime Minister on CNN
" On Tuesday, French Prime Minister Dominique de Villepin announced a sweeping package of reforms aimed at stopping the violence, as well as treating the social ills it stems from.

De Villepin said the rioting is the result of France's failure to provide hope to thousands of youths, most French citizens and the children of Muslim immigrants from northern Africa.
In order for French society to provide the same changes and opportunities to all its citizens, said de Villepin, 30 billion euros ($35.28 billion) will be spent in France's riot zones, with the focus primarily on helping young people.

The French employment agency will focus on 239 hot zones, he said, to help provide jobs for 1.5 million people.

Although France's national unemployment rate is about 10 percent, in areas hit by rioting the level is nearer 40 percent.

France has no affirmative action; an official French study found that youths with Arab-sounding names have their job applicantions rejected up to five times as often as those with traditional French names."
Doesn't sound like "crazy mulim bastards" to me. It sounds like people who have been marginalized and discriminated against and have decided it is time to say enough.

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All countries are at risk, you have to fight sometimes for your standards and morals. IMO if ppl and immigrants don't abide by the countires laws, boot their butts out.

They ARE French citizens, the Decendants of immigrants, Immigrants from French Colonies. How many generations back did your ancestors have to migrate before you no longer consider someone an immigrant?

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They are trying to eliminate the word "Christmas" cause it has Christ in it.
Public schools can't say the Pledge of allegiance.
Fact is, we as a Christian nation need to stand up to this crap

First of all, what the hell does this have to do with rioting in France and secondly WE are Not a christian nation we are a melting pot of many different religious beliefs and ethnicities. Shcools are not forbidden from reciting the pledge of allegiance, children just have the OPTION of not reciting without fear of reprisal. "christian" holidays should NOT be public holidays any more than jewish or muslim or wiccan holidays should. Religous text should not be displayed in courtrooms nor on our currency.

cormack · 11-09-2005, 09:18 AM

i think mabye we all have to admit that both religions are in their purist form very extremist...

**Riff Addict** · 11-09-2005, 09:42 AM

I believe this country was originally founded and governed as a Christian Nation by our Forefathers.... "In God we Trust"...."One Nation Under God"...been around since the beginning.

I don't trust anyone who worships a "fictitious" God Allah who wants his people to kill others, hate everyone else and if they blow themselves up, they'll get a harem full of virgins when they die. These people are messed up.

Soul Reaver · 11-09-2005, 10:01 AM

flair, you might not be racist but you are an ignorant and very angry person.

I will not comment on what’s happening in France cause I don’t have all the angles, and I generally disagree with it, but I’ll comment on your remarks about Islam.

I am a muslim, I studied the Qur’an and Islamic history as part of my up bringing and was raised in an Islamic country and I can tell you that no where in the Qur’an does it say that muslims should kill Christian or Jewish people, in fact it states that their religions are true, and if you research history you’d see that Christians and Jews lived in Islamic ruled land without fear or being bothered (the prophet’s neighbor was a Jewish person). and just for fun why don’t you search a dictionary for the definition of an infidel? doesn’t it stand to logic that you should regard anyone who doesn’t follow your belief as a disbeliever? it doesn’t mean that you’d hate them but it means that you believe they’re wrong.

do you think that the history of Christianity is spotless? religion is good, it’s extremism that’s bad and often mistaken for faith. Islam is a religion that teaches its followers that when in war they shouldn’t tear down temples of worship (Christian or Jew), not burn trees if at all possible and to not harm civilians and if they won to not force people to change their religions and allow them to keep them and practice them and these are teachings over 1400 years old.

whatever your sources about Islam are you should change them.

Soul Reaver · 11-09-2005, 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Riff Addict

I don't trust anyone who worships a "fictitious" God Allah who wants his people to kill others, hate everyone else and if they blow themselves up, they'll get a harem full of virgins when they die. These people are messed up.

Allah means God, it's not a name or a title.
we don't hate everyone.

nowhere in the Qur'an does it say that if you blow yourself up you'd get a harem full of virgins neither did the prophet mention anything like that.

I don't appreciate your opinion of myself and others like me given that everything you based it on is wrong (except maybe for the "fictitious" God, as we believe in the same God that Christians believe in only don't believe that Jesus is his son but one of his prophets and if your not Christian or Jewish it would be fictitious to you), but you’ve got your mind and you made it up.

**Riff Addict** · 11-09-2005, 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Soul Reaver

Allah means God, it's not a name or a title.
we don't hate everyone.

nowhere in the Qur'an does it say that if you blow yourself up you'd get a harem full of virgins neither did the prophet mention anything like that.

I don't appreciate your opinion of myself and others like me given that everything you based it on is wrong (except maybe for the "fictitious" God, as we believe in the same God that Christians believe in only don't believe that Jesus is his son but one of his prophets and if your not Christian or Jewish it would be fictitious to you), but you’ve got your mind and you made it up.

God and Muslim God are not the same. The "Bible" is the "only" true word of God. The one true God. Jesus is his son. There can't be two Gods or three, etc.

Maybe all muslims aren't the radical idiots blowing people up or crashing planes into buildings but they worship from the same book which isn't the bible so I believe its false. If your book doesn't teach killing, suicide bombing, hatred, virgins upon death, etc....why are there muslim terrorists killing in the name of "Allah"?

Christians aren't perfect, we are all sinners, thank God Jesus made the sacrifice in dying for us so if we believe in him we can be forgiven...but most true Christians who study the Bible believe in Peace and Love and God says to love thy neighbor (everyone) and not judge others. I don't see Muslims being loving, peaceful, kind, forgiving people. Sorry if thats ignorant but thats what I see and hear.

I want so much to accept and love all people without racism BUT its damned difficult to love some non-christian people because of their violent and hateful actions against the innocent.