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Old 11-16-2004, 05:22 PM   #1
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My thoughts on the end of the universe


Original title is it not :P

I was reading Scientific America (subcribed too! ) a couple months ago and when I replied to the "My thoughts on the origin of the universe" thread, I remembered it... (copied it from one of my reports I had to write about the article [like 2 pages :P])


It was once theorized by Albert Einstien that something moving in empty space at an acceleration would be the same as something being pulled by gravity with the same amount of force as that acceleration. For example if you were falling to the ground from a plane from earth's gravity of (we'll say G), G, then it would be exactly the same as moving in empty space at the same acceleration is G (or the same amount of force as the gravity, not how fast you were falling). But over all of this, we get the question, is there really empty space?


It was found that in "empty" space there might actually be particles. These particles are shot from a vacuum, (no not the one you clean your floor with), spin and move a distance, then mysteriously disapear. This action happens so quickly though that it is impossible to see this happen directly. But what does this have to do with anything? Well, these particles themselves might infact give off energy to the empty space around them. From this we take the theorized note that anything with energy, or anything with some amount of mass, has some sort of gravity, even if that energy comes from nothingness, or that mass is almost non existant. From investigation from this, this is linked to another discovery. The energy from the vacuums themselves are being canceled. From What?


It is guessed that some energy, most likely the same energy canceling the vacuum's enerygy, is effecting the Eternal Expansion of the universe. The Eternal Expansion is the spreading apart of the galaxies and everything in the universe. By effecting, this means, it's rate is growing. Rapidly. Galaxies are moving at the velocity equivalant to the distance it is from us, (the Milky Way Galaxy). By this we determine that the farther away the galaxy is from us, the faster it is moving. With a higher Eternal Expansion rate, we have added more fates to our universe than before.


In Einstien's cosmological model, space does not expand and therefore repeats in time, which we can models as a circular form. Also, there is no Eternal Expansion. In the presesnt times though we have come up with three fates of the universe. The first is that things will not dramatically change, but we will still go through the Eternal Expansion. The second fate is that the galaxies will seperate dramatically. This is called the Big Rip. The difference between the Big Rip and the Eternal Expansion is that the Big Rip will be a surprising seperation. Hence the name, Big Rip, it will more so "Rip" then slowly drift apart. The third and most dramatic fate is that eventually everything's gravity will interfere with themselves. This will cause what is called the Collapse. Overall it's safe to say that all of these will be above our life time, (for most of this information isn't something new but something thats been going on for billions of years). All we know as of now above everything else is that the fate of the universe is in the hands of the "mysterious" energy thats been interfering with the Eternal Expansion.
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Old 11-16-2004, 05:48 PM   #2
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I was always thought the end of the universe would come when Gary Cherone was re-instated as Van Halen's front man....But old Einstien always liked to rock out!
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Old 11-18-2004, 11:17 AM   #3
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so did the "Young Einstein":icon_lol:
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Old 11-18-2004, 11:26 AM   #4
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No other thoughts????
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Old 11-18-2004, 11:39 AM   #5
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I suggest checking out ebtx.com
there is alot of discussion about things of this sort, as well as a bunch of other things.
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Old 11-18-2004, 12:33 PM   #6
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somehow. if the universe ends.... i dont think any of us are gonna be around to care. .... but im taking my damn guitars with me just incase .
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Great topic.
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Old 11-18-2004, 01:05 PM   #8
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none of these theories are proven - and it won't help us if we did know what the end of the universe would be like - cause i doubt humans would still be around at that time!

anyway i would think the universe would keep expanding forever, and never collapse - because there is evidence of the big bang and expansion - but the fact that the univere may collapse is probably nothing more than a guess

also why do get the question, 'is there really empty space?' after your first chapter?
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1. Knowlege of the end brings knowlege of the present... I would want to know atleast some clue why the void that encircles everything for ever in measurment will just poof one day.

2. Scientists are learning more things about everything else by studying "end" of the universe."

3.I said that because before hand if you asked someone "Is space empty?" 4/5 of the poeple would say "yes" or "Don't know".

4. I see what you mean about it not collapsing, but there is also the theorie, (not sure if thats what you were pointing to) that the items in the universe will eventually seperate, causing many things to happen (how the hell am I supposed to know? lol)


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Quote:
Originally Posted by Hand of Cobain

2. Scientists are learning more things about everything else by studying "end" of the universe."
I think that is like John Stuart Mill's idea in "On Liberty"

(It's not directly related, but stick with me)

He felt that no "opinion" was a bad one. Every opinion will lead to the truth. If an opinion is false, it will bring forward other opinions (contrary ones) until the truth is found.

I'm not saying what you are saying is false (I completely agree). What I am saying is that in every "end" there is a begining.

As William James once said:
"First... a new theory is attacked as absurd; then it is admitted to be true, but obvious and insignificant; finally it is seen to be so important that its adversaries claim that they themselves discovered it."

Some people view the "end" as well, the end. But it's not! The end is a begining to something else. An example being the "end" of Seinfeld led to the begining of "Curb Your Enthusiasm"

Death is a begining to something else. Everything in this world (and universe) is interrelated.
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totally agree
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