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Old 10-28-2004, 08:46 AM   #1
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Progressive....?


I'd like to hear your opinion on this particular matter:

What do you consider "Progressive" when it comes to music?

Here's my thoughts:

The term 'progressive' in a musical context seems to apply to any band that play fast unisono runs in odd-meter time. For example "Dali's Dilemma" are considered a Progressive metal band, and Adagio is considered something like "Symphonic/progressive power metal". To me that's rediculous. I mean, what's so damn progressive about that?! -A million bands have done that a million times before. (And with all due respect to the bands afore mentioned, (I like both very much) they're basically doing stuff that's all been done before)

To me 'progressive' means (or should mean) something like pushing the limits of the established norms of music in general or at least some musical genre.

For example: I think the term applied very well to what Dream Theater did in the early 90's. The fusion of different musical genres like jazz (to some extent), rock, metal and pop was fairly new then, I don't know if they were the first band ever to come up with the idea, but I guess their present status pretty much speaks for itself. They were progressive in the true sense of the word because what they did presented new ideas to the world of music. I would never consider what they do now "Progressive" in the sense of the true sense of the word. They're still using the same elements as they have always done in their music.

A prime example of a band that (in my opinion) is truly progressive in what they do is Pain Of Salvation. I think they are very un-limited (unbound by norms) in what they do. I hear all sorts of different musical styles and ideas in their music combined in a new way which is basically what I consider to be "Progressive".

What I'm pointing out, is that I see a huge contradiction in labelling a genre "Progressive". A label is something we use to define bands' playing styles based on musical conventions and clichés. But if "Progressive" really means breaking with conventions and clichés to create something new, how can "Progressive" be used as the label of a genre?
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Old 10-28-2004, 09:44 AM   #2
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Re: Progressive....?


I suggest you try listening to Rush......... [img]images/smilies/icon_mrgreen.gif[/img] [img]images/smilies/icon_thumb.gif[/img] There are very few bands as diverse as them bro...... [img]images/smilies/rock.gif[/img]
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Old 10-28-2004, 01:05 PM   #3
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Re: Progressive....?


Hard to define. This could be a long very long thread if people get into it.

I just have keywords to describe my vision of prog:

Complex rythms
Musical mastery
Profound lyrics
Elaborate orchestration
Concept albums
Long instrumentals
Songs composed like symphonies with introduction, various moods and climactic conclusion.
Etc.
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Old 10-28-2004, 01:19 PM   #4
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Re: Progressive....?


Queensryche maybe? Later stuff? [img]images/smilies/dunno.gif[/img]
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Old 10-28-2004, 04:02 PM   #5
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Re: Progressive....?


Queensryche qualifies, yes.

Sometimes, Iron Maiden dabbles in prog, believe it or not.
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Old 10-28-2004, 04:06 PM   #6
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Re: Progressive....?


I agree with CanyonCarver Iron Maiden dabbles...what albumn was a bit too much dabbling....was it brave new world ??
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Old 10-28-2004, 06:33 PM   #7
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Re: Progressive....?


[ QUOTE ]
CanyonCarver said:

I just have keywords to describe my vision of prog:

Complex rythms
Musical mastery
Profound lyrics
Elaborate orchestration
Concept albums
Long instrumentals
Songs composed like symphonies with introduction, various moods and climactic conclusion.
Etc.

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=Rush? [img]images/smilies/dunno.gif[/img] [img]images/smilies/icon_mrgreen.gif[/img]
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Old 10-28-2004, 06:44 PM   #8
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Re: Progressive....?


Oh yeah, usually, not always (early Queensryche is a known exception) you can tell if something is progressive if its is overproduced and boring. *runs out of thread*
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Old 10-29-2004, 05:15 AM   #9
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Re: Progressive....?


Yes is another progressive band.
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Old 11-05-2004, 08:20 PM   #10
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king crimson is prog rock.
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Old 11-05-2004, 11:21 PM   #11
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Re: Progressive....?


I think the point your making is that the word 'progressive' means something that pushes the boundaries? I'm a big fan of Dream Theater, Spock's Beard, Transatlantic which I'd describe as new prog. Then there's Yes, Genesis, King Crimson, Gentle Giant, UK, Steve Hillage...now the term progressive could be truly used for a band that didn't follow but lead. Thats harder now because IMO 'originality has been done'. By that I mean the likes of DT and Spocks are wearing their influences on their sleeves. I can hear bits of Queen, Kansas, Zappa and Yes when I listen to 'Scenes From A Memory'. I hear a lot of Genesis when I hear Spock's Beard. What comes around goes around. A truely progressive band would have something no other band did at the point they brought that out. It would be harder today to define because so much music has gone before any band. Rush between 1977 and 1990 never sounded like anybody else...
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Old 11-05-2004, 11:48 PM   #12
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Re: Progressive....?


also Queen 1974-1978...no-one was writing stuff like that! 'Ogre Battle', 'Fairy Feller's Master Stroke'. You'd have to class that as prog.
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Old 11-09-2004, 06:51 AM   #13
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Re: Progressive....?


[ QUOTE ]
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now the term progressive could be truly used for a band that didn't follow but lead.

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That's exactly what I mean! [img]images/smilies/icon_thumb.gif[/img] I don't know if I agree that everything original has been done though... Of course, what was progressive 10 years ago probably wouldn't qualify as progressive today, meaning if a band made something that sounded a hell of a lot like 'Images and Words' now, noone would call it progressive since it has been done... Or would they...? Progressive should mean something different today than it did 10 years ago, if doesn't how can it be progressive?!As I mentioned earlier, I think there's a tendency towards describing bands that play fast odd-meter runs as 'progressive', and I guess I just find that silly since it's been done so many times before.
I agree with all of you guys in the bands you've mentioned, they're all 'Leaders not Followers' (isn't that the title of a Napalm Death album...? [img]images/smilies/headscratch.gif[/img] ) and I think that's what progress is all about: leading music towards new frontiers. [img]images/smilies/smile.gif[/img]
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Old 11-09-2004, 06:52 AM   #14
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Uln:

Actually I think your music qualifies as Progressive in every sense of the word! [img]images/smilies/icon_lol.gif[/img]
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