help! floyd problem or d-tuna problem? - Guitars101

cyberpixel · 03-22-2005, 08:33 AM

Whenever I use my D-Tuna my other strings change their tunings... how come this happens? Do I need a neck adjustment? I read somewhere that it had something to do with my floyd rose not being floated or someting... but I haven't messed with the floyd rose, it's exactly how it came on the wolfgang. Any ideas? I've had it for abotu 5 months now. I CAN pull back on the bar a little bit, not much, it's so little but i can still do it. I'm thinking of just bringing it to the shop and having them fix it.

VB · 03-22-2005, 09:56 AM

when you drop tune with the d-tuna it changes overall string tension. and when you change it on one string. it changes on all of them
It just needs a proper set up job ..... find a good tech and have them do it.

**Supersonic** · 03-22-2005, 10:00 AM

I had the exact same prob with the d-tuna on my Kramer Baretta......drop the E to D and everyhting else is whacked!!! I tried adjusting it every way I knew how to no avail! I finally took it off and it resides in a drawer at this moment! Good Luck! If you discover something amazing let me know...It's a great idea in theory. By the way, my bridge was blocked as thats what they recommend doing. If your not sure what Blocked is it is just wedging a piece of wood or something under the floyd so it wont pull up. theres also a cool little device that scews on in the trem cavity, but I cant remember where I saw that! Maybe at www.eastonguitars

haakon · 03-22-2005, 11:03 AM

that's the tremsetter you're referring to............

**Supersonic** · 03-22-2005, 11:08 AM

haakon,
You just might be right..........I think I'll go look!

VB · 03-22-2005, 11:10 AM

hes right. its a tremsetter. but it wont help with a D-tuna. Tremsetters only return the floyd to its original position. it wont compensate for string tension loss.

**Supersonic** · 03-22-2005, 11:15 AM

Im not sure if thats what i wa shtinking of or not. seems to me there was a device that screwed into the bottom of the trem cavity and then a bolt through that into the bottom of the floyd to keep it from moving. maybe it kept it from moving in either direction. I'll be damned if I remember where I saw that!

haakon · 03-22-2005, 12:07 PM

this is the tremsetter... It's a device made to make any tremolosystem return to it's startingpoint 100%, after use... I've read that it's a compromise unit to install, since it makes the floyd much more rigid in a way....but it stays intune no matter what...d-tuna or not....

The tremsetter is installed instead of the middle spring in the back...
(there's also a lockingscrew on the center of the "cylinder", wich locks the whole system, making the floyd work like a fixed bridge..)

VB · 03-22-2005, 09:45 PM

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Originally Posted by haakon

this is the tremsetter... It's a device made to make any tremolosystem return to it's startingpoint 100%, after use...

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I've read that it's a compromise unit to install,

since it makes the floyd much more rigid in a way....but it stays intune no matter what...d-tuna or not....

The tremsetter is installed instead of the middle spring in the back...
(there's also a lockingscrew on the center of the "cylinder", wich locks the whole system, making the floyd work like a fixed bridge..)

This is my whole point... "Ive read that".. I havent read. I know first hand. I have installed many since I make my living as a guitar tech. And it will not fix d-tuna problems.
As soon as you change string tension on a trem unless its blocked then all the set up and gadgets in the world are null and void... Theres a reason D- Tuna equipped Floyd Roses were recessed but not designed to float. A tremsetter uses constant opposing spring pressure based on string tension to return a trem to its 0 postion.... when you lose string tension by using the D-tuna to lower the pitch of the 6th string, the tremsetter will over compensate because its settings havent changed.
Yes it will fix a floater. Yes it will lock a bridge in place.. so will a block of wood installed inside trem cavity in front of the spring block. If you block from outside under the trem your gonna mess up your fine tuners and make them stiff as a board.

Read the manual on the D-tuna. it gives explicit instructions for installation and fine tuning. If your still unsure take it to a reputable guitar tech and shell out the few bucks to have it done right.

If you dont know this stuff first hand please dont give advice. It simpy complicates the problem for the user. Feel free to give links to articles that pertain to the subject matter. Pictures are great too.... Bad or second and third hand advice is just plain bad.

haakon · 03-22-2005, 11:51 PM

Sorry VB, my bad then.....

Did'nt mean to misguide him or any others, just being a novice on the matter, trying to help another novice out....SEEN a d-tuner, once! haha...

(........If I have a guitar with FR & a d-tuner installed, and i tune down the low e-string, what is preventing the other five strings from raising somewhat in pitch..? ....still don't get this.....curious......stupid too maybe?

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**axeshredder** · 03-23-2005, 01:58 AM

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Originally Posted by haakon

Sorry VB, my bad then.....

Did'nt mean to misguide him or any others, just being a novice on the matter, trying to help another novice out....SEEN a d-tuner, once! haha...

(........If I have a guitar with FR & a d-tuner installed, and i tune down the low e-string, what is preventing the other five strings from raising somewhat in pitch..? ....still don't get this.....curious......stupid too maybe?

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well i dont think the d-tuna was made for a floating bridge because of what you say here as far as the other notes slightly raising in pitch...as there are no wolfgangs that have floating bridges....if it floats, youll have to d-tune it the old way...most floyds fine tuners today do have a whole step range so it can be done...but floating bridges should be tuned and locked , then never messed with

**Supersonic** · 03-23-2005, 09:20 AM

axe,
the d-tuna was made exactly for the floyds because the whole idea is to be able to go from E to D and back without unclamping the nut! I've just never been able to get mine to work properly despite adjusting it a million times. I just got to the point where if I wanna play something drop tuned then I just pick up my fixed bridge guitars and twist the tuning peg. problem solved!

**axeshredder** · 03-23-2005, 09:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Supersonic

axe,
the d-tuna was made exactly for the floyds because the whole idea is to be able to go from E to D and back without unclamping the nut! I've just never been able to get mine to work properly despite adjusting it a million times. I just got to the point where if I wanna play something drop tuned then I just pick up my fixed bridge guitars and twist the tuning peg. problem solved!

you obviously never picked Up a wolfgang or looked closely at it...the dtuna was made for a floyd that the DOESN'T float! (in only goes down, the floyd rests on the body for increased SUSTAIN and if ya break a string all your strings dont go out of tune....the dtuna is not intended to go on any floyd rose...just because it doesnt say it in the instructions, common sense should be used...EVH doesnt care if your guitar is in tune....but i do

haakon · 03-23-2005, 11:59 AM

strange............never seen a d-tuna on anything but a floyd............?

**axeshredder** · 03-23-2005, 12:00 PM

if you dont understand my last comment...then good luck...your gonna need it!