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BigE · 10-25-2004, 01:10 PM

So that makes him better than the rest of us? no I don't think
his problem is funny what I do think is funny is how you have
you lips stuck to his ass and everyone wants to help. One
of my parents has a drinking problem and I can't help them.
They have to help themselves. No manager of website or fan
is going to do any good by telling him hes one of the greatest
song writers ever. That the problem ass kissing is the problem. How many celebrities has to drink themselves to
death before he gets it. There have been more than a few.
But go ahead and keep kissing ass you doing just fine at it.
And feel sorry for him that helps a lot also.

**VHF** · 10-25-2004, 01:16 PM

Unfortunately nobody can help Ed but himself....anybody that tries will just get him more upset. He's very emotional, but he must understand that things are best for VH with Sammy singing and writing songs. Maybe if Sammy walks again they will ease up some of the control and get him back.

Most likely.....Sammy is pissed they play HFT and other early stuff at soundchecks...and Ed is pissed he is playing 55 in his solo spot. They all have ego problems about what people want to hear, money issues, and the messed up state of the recording industry today. They must be seeing the $$ hit their bank accounts and realize that the past is better buried....there is pleanty more to be made if they stay together.....how much more do they really need anyway?

I personally am selfish....I wish the best for them, but I still want more new VH music with Sammy. I love the new songs and want another CD full of them. [img]images/smilies/icon_ball.gif[/img]

TopJimmy78 · 10-25-2004, 01:46 PM

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BigE said:
So that makes him better than the rest of us? no I don't think
his problem is funny what I do think is funny is how you have
you lips stuck to his ass and everyone wants to help. One
of my parents has a drinking problem and I can't help them.
They have to help themselves. No manager of website or fan
is going to do any good by telling him hes one of the greatest
song writers ever. That the problem ass kissing is the problem. How many celebrities has to drink themselves to
death before he gets it. There have been more than a few.
But go ahead and keep kissing ass you doing just fine at it.
And feel sorry for him that helps a lot also.

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Whoa whoa whoa don't come in here and start attacking Sucka like that, no reason for that and if being a fan is being an ass kisser as you put it then so am I, there are better ways to convey your thoughts than the way you have, please refrain from attacking other members like that, if you want to express your thoughts in a thread like this please be more constructive than you have, thanks.

sphill · 10-25-2004, 02:28 PM

Morning all...
I have just logged in after a long night looking after my sick child and find this news. Very depressing indeed, BUT as TJ and Sucka point out correctly, this is just still speculation and is no way confirmed.

Eddie and his demons. This is a complex issue and cannot be dealt with a simple post to a forum. We are entiltled to our opinions in here but to flame another FAN is way uncool. Sucka is a fan who shares the same passion as many of us here do, maybe more at times, and it his right to stick up for a man who has brought so much light and energy to the world with his playing and his song writing. Don't like Eddie and his situation, fine. Slam another member in here, NOT FINE! This type of rant only places a large question mark on your character as a member of the Van Halen fan community.

Enough said, I'll get down from my soap box.
TJ'- GO LIONS! We won on the road man...rock on!

El_jalepeno · 10-25-2004, 02:56 PM

Well, VH was fun when it was going back in the 80's, and there were some good times with Sam and Dave both, but Ed really does seem to be the problem. As for me, I know I piss off many when I say the new songs weren't "all that". That's just my opinion, but I think they could have done a lot more.

As for Ed and his problems, we all really need to keep things in perspective: If Ed wasn;t the party freak he was/is, and if VH wasn't the party band they are/were, then VH would be just another version of The Outfield or something.

Ed's experiences, no matter how whack to most of us, are what made VH what it was: A party band that was envied by most becuase we didn't live that life style. You guys are debating Ed needs this or Ed is that, but you have to accept the fact that if you want Ed and his music, you have to be willing to accept what is going on with him as well. Just my 2 cents... Someone owes me a penny.

To all, be thankful for the experience you had, especially if this was your first year. [img]images/smilies/icon_thumb.gif[/img]

**VanMan2000** · 10-25-2004, 03:12 PM

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BigE said:
So that makes him better than the rest of us? no I don't think
his problem is funny what I do think is funny is how you have
you lips stuck to his ass and everyone wants to help. One
of my parents has a drinking problem and I can't help them.
They have to help themselves. No manager of website or fan
is going to do any good by telling him hes one of the greatest
song writers ever. That the problem ass kissing is the problem. How many celebrities has to drink themselves to
death before he gets it. There have been more than a few.
But go ahead and keep kissing ass you doing just fine at it.
And feel sorry for him that helps a lot also.

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First of all, showing support is not kissing ass. And, having been around people with these types of problems, ANY support is good. How do you know what will be the inspiration for someone to seek help? It could be anything.

Secondly, be careful who you jump on around here. Sucka is one of the people that makes this site as great as it is. He loves Van Halen, as do many of us around here. Don't like 'em? Fine. Have an opinion on Eddie being an alcoholic? Fine. Jump on Sucka? Houston, we have a problem.

ericgtr · 10-25-2004, 03:20 PM

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El_jalepeno said:
Well, VH was fun when it was going back in the 80's, and there were some good times with Sam and Dave both, but Ed really does seem to be the problem. As for me, I know I piss off many when I say the new songs weren't "all that". That's just my opinion, but I think they could have done a lot more.

As for Ed and his problems, we all really need to keep things in perspective: If Ed wasn;t the party freak he was/is, and if VH wasn't the party band they are/were, then VH would be just another version of The Outfield or something.

Ed's experiences, no matter how whack to most of us, are what made VH what it was: A party band that was envied by most becuase we didn't live that life style. You guys are debating Ed needs this or Ed is that, but you have to accept the fact that if you want Ed and his music, you have to be willing to accept what is going on with him as well. Just my 2 cents... Someone owes me a penny.

To all, be thankful for the experience you had, especially if this was your first year. [img]images/smilies/icon_thumb.gif[/img]

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Well said, I couldn't agree more.

**EVH ZMAN** · 10-25-2004, 03:55 PM

I've been hearing and reading for years how Sammy and Dave were such a**holes or goofy or suffering from LSD (Lead Singer Disease) but let's face it. There is at least one individual in the band with a huge substance problem and anyone who has had a person with a serious substance abuse problem in their lives knows the havoc it can play on the lives of those around them. Is it really so hard to believe than maybe Eddie has been the problem and not the singers of the band? Of course it's terrible - we all love Ed for his wonderful talent... But I would bet heavily that most of us would not have such warm feelings towards the guy after living with him for a few weeks. Alcoholics are draining in every sense of the word. This being said - I would not be so quick to judge Sammy for bailing. As many survivors will tell you - sometimes the best way yo help a guy is to let him hit dirt bottom. Sammy might actually being doing what's best for Ed - letting him self -implode. IN anyt event - why should Sammy expose himself and his family and friends to such issues? That's not selfish - it's logic and self preservation.

A friend of mine saw Eddie before the tour started - he said he looked like shit. Or "death warmed over" was the exact quote. He noted it was obvious he's back on the bottle and the cigs...

If you think anyone in the band can help Eddie - then you don't have a good grasp of alcoholism and all the lovely things that go with it.

I feel terribly sad but I had my doubts it would last. Which really sucks cause the music is incredible. I hate to say it but would it be so unthinkable to wake up one morning and read that Ed has dropped dead? I don't wish it but the history of rock gives us many sad endings. You all know the names... And they were all incredible musicians and song writers....

Ed needs help for sure but he won't get it unitl he decides that he needs it - and WANTS it.

ericgtr · 10-25-2004, 04:19 PM

What I gathered from that interview is that he simply wants to move on, play music and have fun, regardless of Ed or VH. I don't blame him in the least and I hope Mikey sticks with him, they are both in it for the music and huge high priced tours aren't necessary for them to play and be happy. It sounds like he would be happy playing gigs at his club and keeping his business going. Good for Sammy, do what makes you happy.

SuckaInA3Piece · 10-25-2004, 05:01 PM

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BigE said:
So that makes him better than the rest of us? no I don't think
his problem is funny what I do think is funny is how you have
you lips stuck to his ass and everyone wants to help. One
of my parents has a drinking problem and I can't help them.
They have to help themselves. No manager of website or fan
is going to do any good by telling him hes one of the greatest
song writers ever. That the problem ass kissing is the problem. How many celebrities has to drink themselves to
death before he gets it. There have been more than a few.
But go ahead and keep kissing ass you doing just fine at it.
And feel sorry for him that helps a lot also.

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Thank you for the support TJ and VanMan. BigE, that is the last time that you talk to me that way ok. That's your first, and last warning.

I'm more then willing to discuss VH with any member on this board, no matter what their opinion is. So if you wish to discuss this band further then you're going to have to do so in an orderly fashion. If you talk to me the way you just did, then we're going to have a problem. It's over now though, and if you wish to discuss it further then you can PM or email me.

oaks · 10-25-2004, 06:27 PM

Working with alcoholics as my job I know that people like Eddie need support. They can not be left alone to figure it out on their own. With support and help from close ones is the way to recovery. I can attest to that. Eddie may need the help from his bandmates to get over this. It is a very serious matter.

I just don't understand how anyone can attack a fellow member here. From my short time here i have the great feeling of a close community. Sucka has been so kind and great to me here. I just think negative comments like that are way out of line.

ericgtr · 10-25-2004, 06:41 PM

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oaks said:
I just don't understand how anyone can attack a fellow member here. From my short time here i have the great feeling of a close community. Sucka has been so kind and great to me here. I just think negative comments like that are way out of line.

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I couldn't agree more, you are absolutely right. Sucka is nothing but civil and freindly with every member on this site whether he agrees with them or not and is well respected. This guy jumped in and spoke volumes about himself with that post.

**mikemellow** · 10-25-2004, 06:42 PM

The bottom line is that no one can Make Eddie Van Halen do anything he doesn't want to, especially quit the boozing. It is a realization that he has to come to on his own, that's when help from friends comes in, believe me, I know. There is nothing more frustrating than seeing someone who has a substance abuse problem and trying to help them when they don't want help, or don't admit to having the problem in the first place. You can't MAKE someone get sober, they have to want it, and sometimes it takes losing everything before that realization is made,,,,,and sometimes losing everything still isn' t enough. As fans, the most we can do is pray for him...God knows how much I want another CD and tour.

**bottagetta** · 10-25-2004, 06:47 PM

Somebody punt this clown..Go back to the army with the rest of the nazi's [img]images/smilies/chucks.gif[/img] [img]images/smilies/icon_rant.gif[/img] [img]images/smilies/icon_rant.gif[/img] [img]images/smilies/icon_confused.gif[/img] [img]images/smilies/icon_confused.gif[/img] [img]images/smilies/wutblau.gif[/img] [img]images/smilies/icon_nono.gif[/img]

SuckaInA3Piece · 10-25-2004, 07:02 PM

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mikemellow said:
The bottom line is that no one can Make Eddie Van Halen do anything he doesn't want to, especially quit the boozing. It is a realization that he has to come to on his own, that's when help from friends comes in, believe me, I know. There is nothing more frustrating than seeing someone who has a substance abuse problem and trying to help them when they don't want help, or don't admit to having the problem in the first place. You can't MAKE someone get sober, they have to want it, and sometimes it takes losing everything before that realization is made,,,,,and sometimes losing everything still isn' t enough. As fans, the most we can do is pray for him...God knows how much I want another CD and tour.

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Mike always comes with the knowledge man, great post bro, and I totally agree. I've been pretty quiet about how I've really felt about this whole thing because there's just so much negative things going around that I just really try to keep things positive. Right now, wether these rumors are true or not, I think that Ed needs some help. It's pretty obvious that he's a much different guy then he was back during the Balance tour. Somewhere after the Dave blow up in 96 Ed just seemed to have changed. I guess all that mud slinging with Sam and Dave, plus the failure of VH3 and the numerous other things that went on after that just took it's toll on Edward.

All I know is this. I've seen three of the best concerts of my life this year and at each one Ed was having the time of his life. I've never seen anybody play with such a care free attitude, and it really was refreshing. He may be a shy and reserved guy in his private life, but when he's creating he's a very bold musician, and that's what I respect about him most. Thru all these years, Roth, Hagar or Cherone, Ed has always stayed true to the one thing that matters the most, his music. And for that he'll have my respect forever, despite what his downfalls may be as a person.