Beginner Drum Programmer Help - Page 2 - Guitars101

Goport · 06-04-2005, 10:13 PM

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Originally Posted by VHfanOU812

Groove agent sounds like what I need to build midi drum tracks. How much is it?

$300 but you could find it for $200 if you shop around.

chris guitar · 06-04-2005, 10:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Goport

How about Fruity Loops? Personally I find it confusing and I prefer the piano roll but this has a different interface.

thanks goport.. i will check it out

**VHF** · 06-05-2005, 06:08 AM

Stupid question alert. What exactly are you guys calling a sequencer program?

I open up Adobe Audition, import a midi track (that I find all day on-line), and it plays on my drum machine. Is Adobe my sequencer software or is a sequencer used to build the midi file?

**axeshredder** · 06-05-2005, 06:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Goport

How about Fruity Loops? Personally I find it confusing and I prefer the piano roll but this has a different interface.

i have fruity loops studio.....but you need a degree to run it..played with it for aweek and gave up...anyone want to buy it...cheap

Goport · 06-05-2005, 08:09 AM

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Originally Posted by axeshredder

i have fruity loops studio.....but you need a degree to run it..played with it for aweek and gave up...anyone want to buy it...cheap

I totally agree with that. I don't need another copy though .. Peter Q's mate gave me mine

Goport · 06-07-2005, 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by VHfanOU812

Stupid question alert. What exactly are you guys calling a sequencer program?

I open up Adobe Audition, import a midi track (that I find all day on-line), and it plays on my drum machine. Is Adobe my sequencer software or is a sequencer used to build the midi file?

Sorry VHfan, I missed this the other day. Yes AA has midi support and also plug in support,

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Powerful audio effects and DSP tools
Work with more than 50 digital signal processing (DSP) tools and effects, mastering and analysis tools, audio restoration features, and third-party DirectX and VST plug-ins.

I don't use it myself but I am sure there are others here that can help you out.

vlc66 · 06-10-2005, 02:26 AM

Hey there,

i wonder why no 1 has recommended buying a simple midi masterkeyboard yet.
It saves you from this unimaginative uncreative 'programming' thing on the piano roll. You can map the keyboard so that u have one or even two complete drumsets on it.
Just click on record, rock on, and u get what u play

.
Meaning velocity and correct timing information (depending on what 'timing grid' you selected evry note snaps into its correct place) gets recorded and can still be edited in the boring piano roll.

While this might not be the most beginner friendly idea (setting up the keyboard, mapping etc.) it should pay off in the long run. I just ordered a decent midi keyboard because i want the drums that i hear in my head, immediately, or they're gone

.

Furthermore u can do different stuff with ur keyboard as well; lay 'carpets of sound' (dunno if that word fits, in german it does

) or just play a piano; good plugins out there.

hope this helps

Greetings, Flo

Goport · 06-10-2005, 04:17 AM

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Originally Posted by vlc66

Hey there,

i wonder why no 1 has recommended buying a simple midi masterkeyboard yet.
It saves you from this unimaginative uncreative 'programming' thing on the piano roll. You can map the keyboard so that u have one or even two complete drumsets on it.
Just click on record, rock on, and u get what u play

.
Meaning velocity and correct timing information (depending on what 'timing grid' you selected evry note snaps into its correct place) gets recorded and can still be edited in the boring piano roll.

While this might not be the most beginner friendly idea (setting up the keyboard, mapping etc.) it should pay off in the long run. I just ordered a decent midi keyboard because i want the drums that i hear in my head, immediately, or they're gone

.

Furthermore u can do different stuff with ur keyboard as well; lay 'carpets of sound' (dunno if that word fits, in german it does

) or just play a piano; good plugins out there.

hope this helps

Greetings, Flo

Good call Flo - a midi keyboard is an excellent idea too. I stick to programming simply because it is what I am used to. There are benefits to both methods though and also disadvantages too. Hand coding is accurate yet slow wheras keyboard entry is fast but performance has to be fairly accurate (then of course you have to set up quantise to get good alignment.

My thoughts on this would be to combine both methods and then you have the perfect drum entry system.

Good call on the midi keyboard idea

**ksdb** · 06-10-2005, 08:18 AM

Did anyone mention Jammer Pro or Band-in-a-Box? Those programs let you pick a music style and plug-in the guitar chords to your song, and then it "composes" the drums and other backing instruments such as bass and keyboards. It's fairly easy to insert fills and breaks. You can export your work as a midi file and use that to trigger your drum machine if you want. It's easy to mute the backing instrumentation if you don't want it. If your recording software edits midi, then you will have more flexibility. Jammer Pro starts for about $100. I've had good luck with it. With these programs you don't need much knowledge about how to play the drums.

**axeshredder** · 06-19-2005, 06:59 AM

someone at samash reccommended band in a box....but after much research....heres my plan.....a $200 drum pad midi controller......prefferable over a keyboard...and "Sonar" or "Cakewalk Studio" at $100.....anyone use both programs and can reccommend which one is better...and is the midi control neccesary...couldnt you just do it on the comps keyboard

vlc66 · 06-21-2005, 06:53 AM

Umm, isnt the program called "cakewalk sonar"?
And arent there 2 different versions then? Studio and Producer?

Don't confuse me damnit

**axeshredder** · 06-21-2005, 08:22 AM

ok.....for your reference....both are cakewalk...one is sonar...one is home studio

ok...i have sonar 3 producer edition...i found drums sets under midi but cant seem to play em.......whats my next step....buy a midi controller?...can i do it manually...please help

Thrasher · 06-22-2005, 03:42 AM

it's a love hate relationship between me and my drum machine.

**axeshredder** · 06-22-2005, 04:57 AM

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Originally Posted by axeshredder

ok.....for your reference....both are cakewalk...one is sonar...one is home studio

ok...i have sonar 3 producer edition...i found drums sets under midi but cant seem to play em.......whats my next step....buy a midi controller?...can i do it manually...please help

is anyone gonna help me?

ok..i played with a piano roll with a drum set but everytime i start the program it says i wont be able to hear anything because theres no midi assignment. So Do i need the midi keyboard?

**axeshredder** · 06-22-2005, 05:26 AM

...this should do...right?

06-05-2005, 06:08 AM	#18
VHF Unleash the Fookin Fury Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Texas Posts: 4,099	Stupid question alert. What exactly are you guys calling a sequencer program? I open up Adobe Audition, import a midi track (that I find all day on-line), and it plays on my drum machine. Is Adobe my sequencer software or is a sequencer used to build the midi file? __________________ My amp goes to 11!Nigel Tufnel

06-19-2005, 06:59 AM	#25
axeshredder Ready for Takeoff! Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Long Island, NY Posts: 5,044	"Sonar" or "Cakewalk Studio" someone at samash reccommended band in a box....but after much research....heres my plan.....a $200 drum pad midi controller......prefferable over a keyboard...and "Sonar" or "Cakewalk Studio" at $100.....anyone use both programs and can reccommend which one is better...and is the midi control neccesary...couldnt you just do it on the comps keyboard __________________ ......................... www.axeshredder.com ....................

06-21-2005, 08:22 AM	#27
axeshredder Ready for Takeoff! Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Long Island, NY Posts: 5,044	ok.....for your reference....both are cakewalk...one is sonar...one is home studio ok...i have sonar 3 producer edition...i found drums sets under midi but cant seem to play em.......whats my next step....buy a midi controller?...can i do it manually...please help __________________ ......................... www.axeshredder.com .................... Last edited by axeshredder; 06-21-2005 at 11:34 AM.

06-22-2005, 05:26 AM	#30
axeshredder Ready for Takeoff! Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Long Island, NY Posts: 5,044	...this should do...right? __________________ ......................... www.axeshredder.com ....................

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06-10-2005, 02:26 AM	#22
vlc66 Starving Artist Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 16	Hey there, i wonder why no 1 has recommended buying a simple midi masterkeyboard yet. It saves you from this unimaginative uncreative 'programming' thing on the piano roll. You can map the keyboard so that u have one or even two complete drumsets on it. Just click on record, rock on, and u get what u play . Meaning velocity and correct timing information (depending on what 'timing grid' you selected evry note snaps into its correct place) gets recorded and can still be edited in the boring piano roll. While this might not be the most beginner friendly idea (setting up the keyboard, mapping etc.) it should pay off in the long run. I just ordered a decent midi keyboard because i want the drums that i hear in my head, immediately, or they're gone . Furthermore u can do different stuff with ur keyboard as well; lay 'carpets of sound' (dunno if that word fits, in german it does ) or just play a piano; good plugins out there. hope this helps Greetings, Flo

06-10-2005, 08:18 AM	#24
ksdb 101 Guru Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 1,444	Did anyone mention Jammer Pro or Band-in-a-Box? Those programs let you pick a music style and plug-in the guitar chords to your song, and then it "composes" the drums and other backing instruments such as bass and keyboards. It's fairly easy to insert fills and breaks. You can export your work as a midi file and use that to trigger your drum machine if you want. It's easy to mute the backing instrumentation if you don't want it. If your recording software edits midi, then you will have more flexibility. Jammer Pro starts for about $100. I've had good luck with it. With these programs you don't need much knowledge about how to play the drums.

06-21-2005, 06:53 AM	#26
vlc66 Starving Artist Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 16	Umm, isnt the program called "cakewalk sonar"? And arent there 2 different versions then? Studio and Producer? Don't confuse me damnit

06-22-2005, 03:42 AM	#28
Thrasher Famous Artist Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 405	it's a love hate relationship between me and my drum machine.

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