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As far as I know audacity is not a multi channel audio recorder. Just a tool to cut out commercials from sound files recorded from internet radio stations.
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Audacity is primarily a sound editor but is also capable of multitrack recording. It doesn't have all the bells and whistles the other programs have but it is a good place to start for free recording software.
Audacity is primarily a sound editor but is also capable of multitrack recording. It doesn't have all the bells and whistles the other programs have but it is a good place to start for free recording software.
Hmm, didn't know that. Anyway thanks for the info.
I am working with Cubase SX, Reason and enough VST's and Reason stuff(like Grand Piano, Symphony of voices etc.).
the thing I would like to ask is : is there any programm that can record at least 24 audio channels,supports VST's and rewire function?I want to end this whole cubase thing on my pc...too many crashes
Yes, but it requires a complete change in OS (unless you are a mac user). I haven't tried the VST support but from what I understand it is getting rather complete. "Rewire" is just a program that performs a function and that function has been around in another program for quite some time.
At any rate...the OS is Linux, the program is called Ardour, and it is all 100% free in every way. The audio systems are all based on Jack, which performs a function similar to Rewire in that you can route applications to and from each other's inputs. Like I said, I haven't tried VST and there are bound to be incompatible ones out there but it is something that is being worked on and a lot of people do use them.
The screenshot on that page is not just ardour. JamIn, QJackCtl, and possibly others are also in that shot. That shot is more representative of a more complete recording system than just the multitrack recorder, Ardour. In Linux different aspects of recording/mastering are performed by different tools.
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now't wrong with adour. But it will always be playing catch up to mac/win apps. that said - who really needs to be on the bleeding edge of technology. Leave that for the gamers. If you are feeling particularly brave and fancy installing linux you could do far worse than Adour
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now't wrong with adour. But it will always be playing catch up to mac/win apps. that said - who really needs to be on the bleeding edge of technology. Leave that for the gamers. If you are feeling particularly brave and fancy installing linux you could do far worse than Adour
I wouldn't exactly call Linux bleeding edge. It has been around quite a bit longer than most of the current, commercial systems and the technology it is based on has a LOT more time behind it. The realtime stuff is rather new but it is above and beyond anything else on the consumer market. Installing it hasn't been hard for many years...assuming you have the computer knowhow to install any OS.
IMHO you have to have used the system for a while before you can really claim that it will always be playing catch up. It more than meets my needs as a home recording artist and is used by many proffessional artists and recording experts around the world. You can deffinately do a lot worst than Ardour.
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“Debugging is twice as hard as writing the code in the first place. Therefore, if you write the code as cleverly as possible, you are, by definition, not smart enough to debug it.” – Brian W. Kernighan
When you find yourself at the bottom of a hole, stop digging.
I think in code: while(1) execute();
I'd rather die when I'm living then when I'm dead.
I wouldn't exactly call Linux bleeding edge. It has been around quite a bit longer than most of the current, commercial systems and the technology it is based on has a LOT more time behind it. The realtime stuff is rather new but it is above and beyond anything else on the consumer market. Installing it hasn't been hard for many years...assuming you have the computer knowhow to install any OS.
IMHO you have to have used the system for a while before you can really claim that it will always be playing catch up. It more than meets my needs as a home recording artist and is used by many proffessional artists and recording experts around the world. You can deffinately do a lot worst than Ardour.
tsk, tsk!! Noah I have used Ardour. My friend uses linux and we often record on his machine. It is fairly intuitive and very similar to DAWs like cubase. Not surprising really, it is inspired by apps like pro tools and cubase and sonar. Ardour will NEVER be pushing the development of those other DAWs because it is merely trying to emulate what the like of cubase and pro tools have already implemented. What Ardour achieves very well, hence the uptake in studios, is stability. Something that Steinberg COULD improve on. All in all Ardour does what it does very well ... I may even start using it when it finally supports midi and Acid loops.
The take up of linux is still fairly limited as a home computing OS - hence the reason why it may be considered bleeding edge. The existing linux users are sitting on their hands waiting for more software to appear. Linux may have been used for years in business and on servers but as a home computing OS it is still in its infancy - don't believe me? Well look around you on G101 - how many are using it? Maybe bleeding edge is not the right phrase but I refrained from using the term "niche market" because I thought it unfairly pigeonholed Linux.
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tsk, tsk!! Noah I have used Ardour. My friend uses linux and we often record on his machine. It is fairly intuitive and very similar to DAWs like cubase. Not surprising really, it is inspired by apps like pro tools and cubase and sonar. Ardour will NEVER be pushing the development of those other DAWs because it is merely trying to emulate what the like of cubase and pro tools have already implemented. What Ardour achieves very well, hence the uptake in studios, is stability. Something that Steinberg COULD improve on. All in all Ardour does what it does very well ... I may even start using it when it finally supports midi and Acid loops.
I don't know that ardour will ever support midi. There is already a pretty powerful sequencer for Linux called Rosegarden that actually has a longer history than ardour; many people use instead of Ardour as it will also record sound. I don't do midi right now and don't like Rosegarden as much so don't use it.
I don't know what Acid loops are, I thought it was a windows program.
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The take up of linux is still fairly limited as a home computing OS - hence the reason why it may be considered bleeding edge. The existing linux users are sitting on their hands waiting for more software to appear. Linux may have been used for years in business and on servers but as a home computing OS it is still in its infancy - don't believe me? Well look around you on G101 - how many are using it? Maybe bleeding edge is not the right phrase but I refrained from using the term "niche market" because I thought it unfairly pigeonholed Linux.
Depends on what they want to do. At work I build a program for Windows that is likely to have no equivilent on Linux, nothing that does what our product does anyway. But how many people use it? At $5,000 a copy, not many. On the other hand a user can do just about anything else, short of playing most commercial games, with any of the free unix variants including Linux. There are a few niche markets that Linux can't touch right now but not many; audio is one of its newer reaching members and before 5 years ago it hardly had any method to record anything. The average user that simply uses their computer as an appliance to write documents and browse the web can easily accomplish this with any OS they choose; Linux offers this and more.
In other words, Linux isn't either niche nor bleeding edge though it /can/ be both. I had a 64 bit OS before any other OS even had a beta release for that architecture. A zero latency, user preemptable OS running on a fairly new architecture is as bleeding edge as you can get (I don't know of any other OS that offers that either), and until I hosed by HD (grabbed by computer in a way that pressed the heads into the platers) I'd been using such a system for over 2 years. Most things worked but some important things (to me anyway) were rather unstable and difficult to get working. I've gotten kind of sick of the occasional consequences and decided to go back to x86 legacy mode and see how it pans out; I just finished downloading my OS and will be spending the day watching TV and installing it. Linux also invades many niche markets and in some cases is one of the few, if not the only, options available. So it can be niche, and it can be bleeding edge but certainly doesn't have to be.
Bleeding edge isn't an apt description because it means something is new, untested, and probably unstable. Niche isn't the right word either. Niche is a specialization that serves the needs of a small subset of people. Just because a product isn't used doesn't mean it is niche nor bleeding edge. I think the description you are looking for is, "untapped resource."
Anyway, all I wanted to do was tell someone that what they wanted was available but required a major change in how they did things. Ardour can record and mix more than 24 tracks (assuming existing hardware) and Jack (and by consequence Ardour) can plug into at least some VSTs. Beyond that I have no idea how it compares with other options and I wasn't comparing either...I've never used Cubebase or Protools or any of the others (well, I've used Audacity once or twice but not seriously because I have a better option). I didn't want to get into a Linux is good/bad argument but you stepped on it. :P
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“Debugging is twice as hard as writing the code in the first place. Therefore, if you write the code as cleverly as possible, you are, by definition, not smart enough to debug it.” – Brian W. Kernighan
When you find yourself at the bottom of a hole, stop digging.
I think in code: while(1) execute();
I'd rather die when I'm living then when I'm dead.
I wasn't arguing Noah Just clarifying my original statement, which I think you see where I was coming from. And I will go along with untapped resource too.
I am hardly an evangalist of Windows - but it does what I need and I can accept it with the flaws. My friend uses linux because he likes it, warts and all. He wanted to make sure his machine didn't become a games platform for his kids and he has achieved that rather nicely lol.
For the record Ardour is planned to incorporate loops and midi, I believe, but not for a couple of years. IIRC they stated that it was planned for release 3.xx. And it makes sense to make it midi compatible really, it is an excellent way of soft recording.
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I am hardly an evangalist of Windows - but it does what I need and I can accept it with the flaws. My friend uses linux because he likes it, warts and all. He wanted to make sure his machine didn't become a games platform for his kids and he has achieved that rather nicely lol.
Yeah, the only things Linux runs that I know of in that area are Quake III and Descent. There are some Linux games but most are little kid things, "back in the day" type games like 2d scrollers and text adventures, or other silly things like 101 different ways to play tetris or mahjong. There is a WineX that supposedly makes Wine able to run DirectX games and there is a long list of "I've used this one" games; that IS bleeding edge. It isn't a very viable gaming platform right now due mainly to the market although there may be technical boundaries like there was with audio (the latency issue had to be solved).
I installed it for my grandmother when I made her a computer. I didn't want to be over there supporting all the damn time. I still get calls once in a while and I go over there and figure out what happened but most of the time it is ok. She just doesn't use it as root. She can't install anything but the setup does everything she needs so she doesn't have to. If I had put Windows in I would have been over there trying to fix something she broke all the damn time because, though she is far from stupid, she just isn't that computer smart and the boundaries aren't that great in Windows.
Yeah, if you have something like that going on, needing to keep kids off of it (or at least from using it as a toy) or keep things working with little to no maintenence then Linux is a good answer although there are others.
You do still have to do special things to make Linux a *good* DAW. The full preempt option has not been mainlined yet though the other three options are. You might get away with a stock kernel if you aren't trying to record 24 tracks at once or running on a laptop (I don't know why fully, but latency is a major issue on laptop hardware...things are too slow to go stock, mostly the HD possibly) but for serious work you have to go get a patch, apply it, and compile; you also may or may not have to compile PAM anymore. There are "audio" distributions that have a preempt RT kernel and all the rest prebuilt for you but there is only a couple. Audio is a niche market and so it doesn't always get the attention that its members would like...but it is starting to catch on and the kernel developers and distribution packagers are beginning to take it a lot more seriously. Desktop environments are starting to support Jack...things like that.
Some of your good audio hardware is a bit lacking in support also, one reason why I haven't yet picked an external soundcard. Of course nothing that is made by the protools people works and probably never will; they want to make you have to use their program with their hardware so aren't at all helpful in making it possible to use elsewhere. Firewire is very bleeding edge from what I understand and there is "no working firewire soundcard in Linux" though there are people out there that have one that works :P . Some high end stuff has good support, like RME from what I understand (I of course don't own one). Most USB1 devices, if they follow some USB Audio protocol, will work; I don't know about USB2. I still worry about latency with USB, it just doesn't seem like it would be fast enough.
Hardware in Linux can be interesting. The cheap stuff often doesn't work at all (because nobody that's anybody gives a fuck) and the really high end stuff can be lacking. Usually the really good hardware is the supported hardware but when you get into $1000+ soundcards things change a bit
There are problems, it isn't perfect....yet. But with some care in choice of hardware and some patience while you learn a totally different OS it can be a very nice workstation. If you are just recording at home it will do everything you need and more (short of running a few specific plugins possibly). It is also a pretty fast growing area of development. Like I said, 5 years ago none of this was even possible and was only in the minds of some wacked out and brilliant people...it may be less time than that but I'm guessing this movement started about 2000/2001.
Ardour and midi...yeah they say will in some future version (I thought 2 actually) but they are just barely getting to version 1; Linux versioning works very differently and it will be a long time before you see the next one. You're going to be waiting a while for that one probably. Since Rosegarden already does that really well it just doesn't seem to be a major priority. You can sequence your midi in Rosegarden, run it through qsynth with your soundfonts, and pump that into Ardour if you want, or you can record into Rosegarden I believe...so the answer is already there it just isn't integrated into one big app.
I've been using Linux for years and as a recording system for the past 2 or so but I am not a recording engineer, I'm a hobyist. I know pros use it because I talk to them in the LAU list from time to time. They are the ones most involved in the development process. So there is a lot I don't know about Audio and how Linux competes. All I know is that I like it and others do too...and it does enough to be a good alternative for hobbiests like me...or even a bit more serious.
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“Debugging is twice as hard as writing the code in the first place. Therefore, if you write the code as cleverly as possible, you are, by definition, not smart enough to debug it.” – Brian W. Kernighan
When you find yourself at the bottom of a hole, stop digging.
I think in code: while(1) execute();
I'd rather die when I'm living then when I'm dead.
NO one has reviewsd Cool Edit pro 2000.
Can some one who knows this stuff guide me a little?
I have Sonar 4 producer and Cool edit pro 2000.
I'm just getting into this home computer recording and all I'm doing right now is recording myself over backing tracks.
which is better and easier to use?
thanks
Magix is very good. I used Music Studio 2004 and I know 2005 is now out. Cakewalk Guitar Tracks Pro...I have version 2 and 3 and it rocks but it lacks even one damn midi channel.
No Midi bummer I know, however i transfer over to homestudio and or sonar 4 it works greatly, I cant believe they have DXI effect and still no Midi that makes no sense at all!!
Does anyone know how to take the guitarpro tab and import and or make to mp3 file so i can import to Pro tracs cakewalk?? any hel would be greatly appreciated e mail niceman626@aol.com
NO one has reviewsd Cool Edit pro 2000.
Can some one who knows this stuff guide me a little?
I have Sonar 4 producer and Cool edit pro 2000.
I'm just getting into this home computer recording and all I'm doing right now is recording myself over backing tracks.
which is better and easier to use?
thanks
Cool Edit 2000. it is purely designed as a wave editor/recorder. Sonar is a proper DAW. If you paid for it, then you would have surely investigated its potential. If you stole it from the web (and I am not one to criticise that lol) then I suggest you learn how to use it. I runs rings around CE2K
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Does anyone know how to take the guitarpro tab and import and or make to mp3 file so i can import to Pro tracs cakewalk?? any hel would be greatly appreciated e mail niceman626@aol.com
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id like to try riffworks but dont really want to pay unless someone else has tried and thinks its worth the money i already own sonar4 and adobe audittion just wondering if riffworks is better with xt live?
Just clarifying my original statement, which I think you see where I was coming from. And I will go along with untapped resource too. 
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