Pod Schmod! Get your real sound right!

02-19-2004, 04:28 PM

Okay guys I'm here to stir things up a bit! I'm very happy to see so many people into Eddie's sound be it Brown or the high gain sound he made on the Sammy albums (why did you go there Ed?).

I realise that recording guitar, no make that even playing guitar and getting that great holy grail of sounds is tough (especially if you live in an appartment or semi), but some of you have great gear which will, when set up correctly give you awsome tone and yet you still insist on using Amp Modelling.

I'm not a luddite, far from it I design shit like that, but if you have the real thing and you play in a band, spend some time with your gear and learn how to get the best out of it.

Eddie used FX brilliantly, just listen to the range of different reverbs, delays and modulations, they were coupled with great clean an overdriven tones (notice I didn't say distorted, no hi gain amp please, that's a Marshall at full tilt not a fuzz box). The mans obvious talent helped, but he was also a great guitar tech and it resulted in making some of the good songs Van Halen wrote into great songs. Don't forget about the real thing, music should be live!

Well that's my rant over, what do you say?

**Mondy** · 02-19-2004, 04:37 PM

I say why fuck around trying to get the tone you want out of some gear, when you can buy a little box that has the sounds already preset in there.

But then again, I have a wife who doesn't like the amp loud, so I could never get good sounds outta it anyway....

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wahwah · 02-19-2004, 04:55 PM

Well I wouldn't disagree that I need the heavy artillery to do the Unchained gig...and the Line6 combo I had wouldn't do it...but the POD as Mondola said, is easy and noise free and there's NO way I would want the hassle of mic'ing up and desks etc...no space for it. There's not enough hours in the day to spend doing everything I want at this stage in my life. The POD lets me take the pain out of setting up and just lets me play. For that reason alone its worth its weight in gold. Finally, when we were watching the gigs on vid the other night, I thought my tone was FUCKIN' ACE! [img]images/smilies/icon_thumb.gif[/img]

ericgtr · 02-19-2004, 05:01 PM

I guess that would depend on what's called for regarding the situation. Me, here in my little apartment, I wouldn't do well with a stack, half stack or even a combo because it's simply too loud. If I were out playing gigs again or something then I would focus more on the gear needed for them.

POD is an excellent tool for what we like to do here on the site because it offers a direct connection to the PC with tones that are designed specifically for it. This rules out all the mics, ambient noises etc. and comes with some pretty kick ass models that you can tweak to your hearts content.

So to your rant I say that you have some valid points although it's really a matter of perspective and surroundings. My neighbors on the other hand probably wouldn't think a lot of it [img]images/smilies/icon_thumb.gif[/img]

02-19-2004, 05:35 PM

That's like saying you'd rather have a w**k, than a good s**g, I know sometimes DIY is a great stop gap, but would you really give up the real thing just because its easier to put your hand down your shorts (Geordie you're exempt from this obviously). I guess it depends if you're married. [img]images/smilies/icon_lol.gif[/img] I didn't realise you were as well Mondola!

**CanyonCarver** · 02-19-2004, 05:47 PM

I find this last remark quite immature. [img]images/smilies/icon_rolleyes.gif[/img]
I think you came to the wrong place to pick a fight...

Peace.

ericgtr · 02-19-2004, 06:13 PM

LOL at least you can make out what the hells he's saying CC, I can't make heads nor tails of it enough to be offended. [img]images/smilies/headscratch.gif[/img]

wahwah · 02-19-2004, 06:21 PM

Ok, I'll translate for you as he's English and the Dave in Unchained! He's saying sex with oneself isn't as good as sex with another. Thing is, the holes in my POD just aren't big enough! [img]images/smilies/icon_lol.gif[/img]

wahwah · 02-19-2004, 06:23 PM

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CanyonCarver said:
I find this last remark quite immature. [img]images/smilies/icon_rolleyes.gif[/img]
I think you came to the wrong place to pick a fight...

Peace.

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If you mean his sig CC, it's the first line from 'I'm The One'...call yourself a VH fan! [img]images/smilies/icon_surprised.gif[/img]

**EddieMan2003** · 02-19-2004, 07:16 PM

i think the pod is great! from what i heard from a lot of these guys. I dont own one, nor want one. I like the old fashen way you know haha. Everybuddy has a taste and a choice. and calm down man, you need to chill.

**rolsguitars** · 02-19-2004, 07:46 PM

for recording there is no other way anymore, it beats the hell out of mic'ing a cab and then getting it to sound right with th right mic etc etc most people don't have the $$ for that, beside I can blow my eardrums out at 2am and no one knows but me [img]images/smilies/music487.gif[/img]
I have a live rig that has 2 100 watt heads in stereo that I entertain the neighbors with during shall we say normal business hrs but the pOD comes in handy after that and again for direct recording.
Rol.

**CanyonCarver** · 02-19-2004, 07:47 PM

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ericgtr said:
LOL at least you can make out what the hells he's saying CC, I can't make heads nor tails of it enough to be offended. [img]images/smilies/headscratch.gif[/img]

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I just don't like the condescending tone of the comment.
Everyone is entitled to have a view I guess. [img]images/smilies/headscratch.gif[/img]

mab8485 · 02-19-2004, 10:35 PM

The pod/v-amp is great for someone like me who dabbles in some home recording on the computer. I'll almost definitely never record professionally so i couldnt be fucked mic'ing an amp. For me, there is definitely no better way to go about recording since you get great sound quality at a good price.

El_jalepeno · 02-19-2004, 10:56 PM

I have a V-Amp to fuck around with at home, and a Marshall half-stack for playing outside the computer. I gig with my Marshall, I practice with it. No denying that a modeler can't do it all, but I don't think everyone here gigs. Many of our fine pool of talent enjoy the solitude of not having to deal with psycho band mates, or DLR wannabes. Unless I am recording, I only use my Marshall. [img]images/smilies/icon_thumb.gif[/img]

02-19-2004, 11:03 PM

Angus Young says things like, "Why buy expensive effects to sound like different amps and just buy the amps!?"
Hey, in a perfect world, having every amp you want would be great. (Except for maintenance!)
But I think technology has come a long way and it's only gonna get better. [img]images/smilies/chucks.gif[/img]
Pod, Boss, Digitech, etc may never sound "exactly like" true tube amps but they will get close enough.
In Short, technology is good! [img]images/smilies/icon_thumb.gif[/img]