For long time, after seeing many strange guitars(metal, see-thru, etc.), I was wondering if the material used for the body of an electric solidbody guitar really affects tone? Thanks guys.
Black_Shuriken
Guitar Bodies?
this was taken from ed roman's site. and there are different kinds of wood outthere as well.
Standard Woods In Use By Most Companies
Mahogany
Mahogany is a moderately dense and very durable wood. It is commonly used for the backs, sides and necks of acoustic guitars. It is sometimes used on electric guitar bodies and necks. Because it is very sonorous and durable, mahogany is also used in banjos, resonators, ukuleles and acoustic guitar soundboards. It is lighter than maple and specifically provides acoustic guitars with great sustain. Mahogany also provides great weight balance between the neck and the body of an acoustic. It is reddish-brown in color and is incredibly strong and resonant, giving the guitar big, beautiful tones.
We don't use to much mahogany at Ed Roman's simply because we are known as an exotic builder. People generally expect something a little more exotic from us
Koa Wood
Koa is a gorgeous wood with well defined curly and flamed grain patterns as found in instrument quality Maple. It falls in the middle of the tonal spectrum, giving the instrument a brightness of tone without sacrificing warmth. It is slightly less round in tone than the rosewoods. We have been building custom Koa guitars for close to 20 years.
Alder
We find that alder has the richest tone, characterized by lots of fat low-end, well defined mid ranges and a lot of sustain. Alder is a light wood, which makes it more comfortable for lengthy gigs. It is one of the original woods used for solid body guitars. Although other manufacturers use woods like poplar and basswood, they are considered alder substitutes. We don't use to much Alder at Ed Roman's simply because we are known as an exotic builder. People generally expect something a little more exotic from us
Solid Alder
Solid Alder is a fairly light and incredibly resilient wood that is a favorite amongst electric guitar makers. It is a close-grained wood with a naturally light tan color. Alder is mostly used for electric guitar bodybuilding because of its full sound, great sustain and density. It is a porous wood that takes quite well to a variety of finishes. This gives the guitar a richer sound because the solid wood soundboard can vibrate more freely & thoroughly.
Spruce
Spruce is the most commonly used wood on acoustic guitar soundboards. The soundboards on acoustics are generally made of tightly grained spruce. Naturally yellow in color, spruce is a lightwood that has a very high degree of resonance, so it is a perfect match for acoustic guitars.
Solid Spruce
Solid spruce refers less to a difference in the wood than to how it is actually cut for the guitar. Laminate spruce soundboards are built as layers of cross-grained wood glued to each other. Solid spruce soundboards consist of one piece of wood running all the way through. This gives the guitar a richer sound because the solid wood soundboard can vibrate more freely and thoroughly.
Canadian Sitka Spruce
is a harder to find, more expensive variety of spruce. It has a light yellow color and is also used for acoustic guitar soundboards. It gives guitars a bigger more resonant sound, flush with crisp highs. It also improves with age more than other types of spruce.
German Spruce
This increasingly rare wood has a higher weight to strength ratio than Sitka and correspondingly complements the brightness and clarity of the guitars.
Maple
Maple is a strong and extremely dense, heavy wood. It is excellent for guitar necks and bodies because it can handle an inordinate amount of string tension. Maple has a bright and crisp tone and is used on flamenco guitars as well as some electrics. It has a wide variety of exotic grains that show up quite well when finished. Flamed maple is a very popular and brilliant looking exotic type of maple. "Flamed" refers to the rippling, or curls of the grain of wood that run across the body. Flamed maple in generally "book matched," which means that the body is made of two half pieces of a single cut piece of maple. This gives the guitar even weight, look and tone throughout the body.
Cedar
Many companies use Cedar or some type of redwood specifically for fingerstyle instruments as it responds quickly and with good volume to a light attack. It is also very well suited to open or lowered tension tunings as they require the same qualities for good separation and definition. Cedar does lose tonal integrity when over driven, making it a poor choice for versatility but an excellent top wood for showcasing finger styles.
Brazilian Rosewood
Highly sought after by generations of luthiers and players for its unmatched beauty. Brazilian helps to impart warmth and darkness to the tone of the guitar. Tonal differences between Brazilian and Indian Rosewoods are subtle and consideration should be based on aesthetics, rarity, future value, and collectibility.
Indian Rosewood
Like Brazilian, Indian Rosewood keeps the guitar at the warm dark end of the tonal spectrum. While not as visually striking as Brazilian, Indian Rosewood has an elegant appearance and should not be considered inferior to Brazilian on any account. Just the same we never ever use it !!!! For fingerboards we use ebony, pau ferro or at very least Madagascar rosewood which is much more stunning than the plain old Indian rosewood.
Nato
Nato wood, also known as Eastern Mahogany, is a reliable, strong wood used on low cost guitar necks. It is a value-priced wood used more for beginner instruments. However, it still embodies some of the properties of more commonly used mahogany. While we would never use this wood on one of our custom guitars, We do carry several low end $100.00 & $200.00 guitars that are made from it.
Standard Woods In Use By Most Companies
Mahogany
Mahogany is a moderately dense and very durable wood. It is commonly used for the backs, sides and necks of acoustic guitars. It is sometimes used on electric guitar bodies and necks. Because it is very sonorous and durable, mahogany is also used in banjos, resonators, ukuleles and acoustic guitar soundboards. It is lighter than maple and specifically provides acoustic guitars with great sustain. Mahogany also provides great weight balance between the neck and the body of an acoustic. It is reddish-brown in color and is incredibly strong and resonant, giving the guitar big, beautiful tones.
We don't use to much mahogany at Ed Roman's simply because we are known as an exotic builder. People generally expect something a little more exotic from us
Koa Wood
Koa is a gorgeous wood with well defined curly and flamed grain patterns as found in instrument quality Maple. It falls in the middle of the tonal spectrum, giving the instrument a brightness of tone without sacrificing warmth. It is slightly less round in tone than the rosewoods. We have been building custom Koa guitars for close to 20 years.
Alder
We find that alder has the richest tone, characterized by lots of fat low-end, well defined mid ranges and a lot of sustain. Alder is a light wood, which makes it more comfortable for lengthy gigs. It is one of the original woods used for solid body guitars. Although other manufacturers use woods like poplar and basswood, they are considered alder substitutes. We don't use to much Alder at Ed Roman's simply because we are known as an exotic builder. People generally expect something a little more exotic from us
Solid Alder
Solid Alder is a fairly light and incredibly resilient wood that is a favorite amongst electric guitar makers. It is a close-grained wood with a naturally light tan color. Alder is mostly used for electric guitar bodybuilding because of its full sound, great sustain and density. It is a porous wood that takes quite well to a variety of finishes. This gives the guitar a richer sound because the solid wood soundboard can vibrate more freely & thoroughly.
Spruce
Spruce is the most commonly used wood on acoustic guitar soundboards. The soundboards on acoustics are generally made of tightly grained spruce. Naturally yellow in color, spruce is a lightwood that has a very high degree of resonance, so it is a perfect match for acoustic guitars.
Solid Spruce
Solid spruce refers less to a difference in the wood than to how it is actually cut for the guitar. Laminate spruce soundboards are built as layers of cross-grained wood glued to each other. Solid spruce soundboards consist of one piece of wood running all the way through. This gives the guitar a richer sound because the solid wood soundboard can vibrate more freely and thoroughly.
Canadian Sitka Spruce
is a harder to find, more expensive variety of spruce. It has a light yellow color and is also used for acoustic guitar soundboards. It gives guitars a bigger more resonant sound, flush with crisp highs. It also improves with age more than other types of spruce.
German Spruce
This increasingly rare wood has a higher weight to strength ratio than Sitka and correspondingly complements the brightness and clarity of the guitars.
Maple
Maple is a strong and extremely dense, heavy wood. It is excellent for guitar necks and bodies because it can handle an inordinate amount of string tension. Maple has a bright and crisp tone and is used on flamenco guitars as well as some electrics. It has a wide variety of exotic grains that show up quite well when finished. Flamed maple is a very popular and brilliant looking exotic type of maple. "Flamed" refers to the rippling, or curls of the grain of wood that run across the body. Flamed maple in generally "book matched," which means that the body is made of two half pieces of a single cut piece of maple. This gives the guitar even weight, look and tone throughout the body.
Cedar
Many companies use Cedar or some type of redwood specifically for fingerstyle instruments as it responds quickly and with good volume to a light attack. It is also very well suited to open or lowered tension tunings as they require the same qualities for good separation and definition. Cedar does lose tonal integrity when over driven, making it a poor choice for versatility but an excellent top wood for showcasing finger styles.
Brazilian Rosewood
Highly sought after by generations of luthiers and players for its unmatched beauty. Brazilian helps to impart warmth and darkness to the tone of the guitar. Tonal differences between Brazilian and Indian Rosewoods are subtle and consideration should be based on aesthetics, rarity, future value, and collectibility.
Indian Rosewood
Like Brazilian, Indian Rosewood keeps the guitar at the warm dark end of the tonal spectrum. While not as visually striking as Brazilian, Indian Rosewood has an elegant appearance and should not be considered inferior to Brazilian on any account. Just the same we never ever use it !!!! For fingerboards we use ebony, pau ferro or at very least Madagascar rosewood which is much more stunning than the plain old Indian rosewood.
Nato
Nato wood, also known as Eastern Mahogany, is a reliable, strong wood used on low cost guitar necks. It is a value-priced wood used more for beginner instruments. However, it still embodies some of the properties of more commonly used mahogany. While we would never use this wood on one of our custom guitars, We do carry several low end $100.00 & $200.00 guitars that are made from it.
and check this site out as well:
http://www.warmoth.com/guitar/options/options_bodywoods.cfm
Standard Woods In Use By Most Companies
Mahogany
Mahogany is a moderately dense and very durable wood. It is commonly used for the backs, sides and necks of acoustic guitars. It is sometimes used on electric guitar bodies and necks. Because it is very sonorous and durable, mahogany is also used in banjos, resonators, ukuleles and acoustic guitar soundboards. It is lighter than maple and specifically provides acoustic guitars with great sustain. Mahogany also provides great weight balance between the neck and the body of an acoustic. It is reddish-brown in color and is incredibly strong and resonant, giving the guitar big, beautiful tones.
We don't use to much mahogany at Ed Roman's simply because we are known as an exotic builder. People generally expect something a little more exotic from us
Koa Wood
Koa is a gorgeous wood with well defined curly and flamed grain patterns as found in instrument quality Maple. It falls in the middle of the tonal spectrum, giving the instrument a brightness of tone without sacrificing warmth. It is slightly less round in tone than the rosewoods. We have been building custom Koa guitars for close to 20 years.
Alder
We find that alder has the richest tone, characterized by lots of fat low-end, well defined mid ranges and a lot of sustain. Alder is a light wood, which makes it more comfortable for lengthy gigs. It is one of the original woods used for solid body guitars. Although other manufacturers use woods like poplar and basswood, they are considered alder substitutes. We don't use to much Alder at Ed Roman's simply because we are known as an exotic builder. People generally expect something a little more exotic from us
Solid Alder
Solid Alder is a fairly light and incredibly resilient wood that is a favorite amongst electric guitar makers. It is a close-grained wood with a naturally light tan color. Alder is mostly used for electric guitar bodybuilding because of its full sound, great sustain and density. It is a porous wood that takes quite well to a variety of finishes. This gives the guitar a richer sound because the solid wood soundboard can vibrate more freely & thoroughly.
Spruce
Spruce is the most commonly used wood on acoustic guitar soundboards. The soundboards on acoustics are generally made of tightly grained spruce. Naturally yellow in color, spruce is a lightwood that has a very high degree of resonance, so it is a perfect match for acoustic guitars.
Solid Spruce
Solid spruce refers less to a difference in the wood than to how it is actually cut for the guitar. Laminate spruce soundboards are built as layers of cross-grained wood glued to each other. Solid spruce soundboards consist of one piece of wood running all the way through. This gives the guitar a richer sound because the solid wood soundboard can vibrate more freely and thoroughly.
Canadian Sitka Spruce
is a harder to find, more expensive variety of spruce. It has a light yellow color and is also used for acoustic guitar soundboards. It gives guitars a bigger more resonant sound, flush with crisp highs. It also improves with age more than other types of spruce.
German Spruce
This increasingly rare wood has a higher weight to strength ratio than Sitka and correspondingly complements the brightness and clarity of the guitars.
Maple
Maple is a strong and extremely dense, heavy wood. It is excellent for guitar necks and bodies because it can handle an inordinate amount of string tension. Maple has a bright and crisp tone and is used on flamenco guitars as well as some electrics. It has a wide variety of exotic grains that show up quite well when finished. Flamed maple is a very popular and brilliant looking exotic type of maple. "Flamed" refers to the rippling, or curls of the grain of wood that run across the body. Flamed maple in generally "book matched," which means that the body is made of two half pieces of a single cut piece of maple. This gives the guitar even weight, look and tone throughout the body.
Cedar
Many companies use Cedar or some type of redwood specifically for fingerstyle instruments as it responds quickly and with good volume to a light attack. It is also very well suited to open or lowered tension tunings as they require the same qualities for good separation and definition. Cedar does lose tonal integrity when over driven, making it a poor choice for versatility but an excellent top wood for showcasing finger styles.
Brazilian Rosewood
Highly sought after by generations of luthiers and players for its unmatched beauty. Brazilian helps to impart warmth and darkness to the tone of the guitar. Tonal differences between Brazilian and Indian Rosewoods are subtle and consideration should be based on aesthetics, rarity, future value, and collectibility.
Indian Rosewood
Like Brazilian, Indian Rosewood keeps the guitar at the warm dark end of the tonal spectrum. While not as visually striking as Brazilian, Indian Rosewood has an elegant appearance and should not be considered inferior to Brazilian on any account. Just the same we never ever use it !!!! For fingerboards we use ebony, pau ferro or at very least Madagascar rosewood which is much more stunning than the plain old Indian rosewood.
Nato
Nato wood, also known as Eastern Mahogany, is a reliable, strong wood used on low cost guitar necks. It is a value-priced wood used more for beginner instruments. However, it still embodies some of the properties of more commonly used mahogany. While we would never use this wood on one of our custom guitars, We do carry several low end $100.00 & $200.00 guitars that are made from it.
Standard Woods In Use By Most Companies
Mahogany
Mahogany is a moderately dense and very durable wood. It is commonly used for the backs, sides and necks of acoustic guitars. It is sometimes used on electric guitar bodies and necks. Because it is very sonorous and durable, mahogany is also used in banjos, resonators, ukuleles and acoustic guitar soundboards. It is lighter than maple and specifically provides acoustic guitars with great sustain. Mahogany also provides great weight balance between the neck and the body of an acoustic. It is reddish-brown in color and is incredibly strong and resonant, giving the guitar big, beautiful tones.
We don't use to much mahogany at Ed Roman's simply because we are known as an exotic builder. People generally expect something a little more exotic from us
Koa Wood
Koa is a gorgeous wood with well defined curly and flamed grain patterns as found in instrument quality Maple. It falls in the middle of the tonal spectrum, giving the instrument a brightness of tone without sacrificing warmth. It is slightly less round in tone than the rosewoods. We have been building custom Koa guitars for close to 20 years.
Alder
We find that alder has the richest tone, characterized by lots of fat low-end, well defined mid ranges and a lot of sustain. Alder is a light wood, which makes it more comfortable for lengthy gigs. It is one of the original woods used for solid body guitars. Although other manufacturers use woods like poplar and basswood, they are considered alder substitutes. We don't use to much Alder at Ed Roman's simply because we are known as an exotic builder. People generally expect something a little more exotic from us
Solid Alder
Solid Alder is a fairly light and incredibly resilient wood that is a favorite amongst electric guitar makers. It is a close-grained wood with a naturally light tan color. Alder is mostly used for electric guitar bodybuilding because of its full sound, great sustain and density. It is a porous wood that takes quite well to a variety of finishes. This gives the guitar a richer sound because the solid wood soundboard can vibrate more freely & thoroughly.
Spruce
Spruce is the most commonly used wood on acoustic guitar soundboards. The soundboards on acoustics are generally made of tightly grained spruce. Naturally yellow in color, spruce is a lightwood that has a very high degree of resonance, so it is a perfect match for acoustic guitars.
Solid Spruce
Solid spruce refers less to a difference in the wood than to how it is actually cut for the guitar. Laminate spruce soundboards are built as layers of cross-grained wood glued to each other. Solid spruce soundboards consist of one piece of wood running all the way through. This gives the guitar a richer sound because the solid wood soundboard can vibrate more freely and thoroughly.
Canadian Sitka Spruce
is a harder to find, more expensive variety of spruce. It has a light yellow color and is also used for acoustic guitar soundboards. It gives guitars a bigger more resonant sound, flush with crisp highs. It also improves with age more than other types of spruce.
German Spruce
This increasingly rare wood has a higher weight to strength ratio than Sitka and correspondingly complements the brightness and clarity of the guitars.
Maple
Maple is a strong and extremely dense, heavy wood. It is excellent for guitar necks and bodies because it can handle an inordinate amount of string tension. Maple has a bright and crisp tone and is used on flamenco guitars as well as some electrics. It has a wide variety of exotic grains that show up quite well when finished. Flamed maple is a very popular and brilliant looking exotic type of maple. "Flamed" refers to the rippling, or curls of the grain of wood that run across the body. Flamed maple in generally "book matched," which means that the body is made of two half pieces of a single cut piece of maple. This gives the guitar even weight, look and tone throughout the body.
Cedar
Many companies use Cedar or some type of redwood specifically for fingerstyle instruments as it responds quickly and with good volume to a light attack. It is also very well suited to open or lowered tension tunings as they require the same qualities for good separation and definition. Cedar does lose tonal integrity when over driven, making it a poor choice for versatility but an excellent top wood for showcasing finger styles.
Brazilian Rosewood
Highly sought after by generations of luthiers and players for its unmatched beauty. Brazilian helps to impart warmth and darkness to the tone of the guitar. Tonal differences between Brazilian and Indian Rosewoods are subtle and consideration should be based on aesthetics, rarity, future value, and collectibility.
Indian Rosewood
Like Brazilian, Indian Rosewood keeps the guitar at the warm dark end of the tonal spectrum. While not as visually striking as Brazilian, Indian Rosewood has an elegant appearance and should not be considered inferior to Brazilian on any account. Just the same we never ever use it !!!! For fingerboards we use ebony, pau ferro or at very least Madagascar rosewood which is much more stunning than the plain old Indian rosewood.
Nato
Nato wood, also known as Eastern Mahogany, is a reliable, strong wood used on low cost guitar necks. It is a value-priced wood used more for beginner instruments. However, it still embodies some of the properties of more commonly used mahogany. While we would never use this wood on one of our custom guitars, We do carry several low end $100.00 & $200.00 guitars that are made from it.
and check this site out as well:
http://www.warmoth.com/guitar/options/options_bodywoods.cfm
I think that wood does affect tone to a small degree. Most of us are not expert enough to tell the difference. I certainly am not. The article above talks as much about strength, how well the woods take finishes and how the grain looks, in some cases more than the tonal qualities.
My point is that once you plug into a few effects pedals or amp modellers, then I defy anyone to tell the difference between mahogany or plywood. It's how Line 6 make all their money.
There's an element of elitism about wood quality in my opinion. Buy the nice woods for the flame tops or birdseye effect, but dont buy it for tone reasons thinking you have enough of a trained ear to tell the difference.
We listen to heavy metal, for crying out loud.
My point is that once you plug into a few effects pedals or amp modellers, then I defy anyone to tell the difference between mahogany or plywood. It's how Line 6 make all their money.
There's an element of elitism about wood quality in my opinion. Buy the nice woods for the flame tops or birdseye effect, but dont buy it for tone reasons thinking you have enough of a trained ear to tell the difference.
We listen to heavy metal, for crying out loud.
Wood has a huge part in the guitar's "natural" tone. I say "natural" because if you distort the shit out of it, It won't make much difference what type of wood it's made of. If you messed around with guitars made out of different woods, you will start to get an idea of what the differences are that wouldn't be there if they were all made out of the same wood. If you compared a few maple bodied guitars to a few mahogany guitars you might find the maple to be an overall "brighter" sounding wood than mahogany and so on. keep in mind that all guitars sound different even if they are identical in make and material. Stuff like high-output pickups will make to different sounding guitars sound more alike than low output pickups would and even the finish on a guitar has a part in its sound.
I wonder what the RG570 I bought on ebay is made of then?When I strip the finish and paint maybe I'll be able to figure it out.
I have several stratocasters made from various woods like basswood, alder, ash, poplar, plywood and a tele made from swap ash. Most have standard single coil pickups. They each have a different feel and weight. My ears don't hear much tonal difference with exception of the poplar body. It's light and has very bright tone. It might be interesting to line them up and do a little sonic science experiment. Maybe I'll do that.
Does anyone else have a strat made from poplar wood? I think Fender used poplar on American Strats in the early 90's. My poplar body is not made by Fender. It's an aftermarket from the early 2000's that has a nice dark blue/green glossy finish on it.
Does anyone else have a strat made from poplar wood? I think Fender used poplar on American Strats in the early 90's. My poplar body is not made by Fender. It's an aftermarket from the early 2000's that has a nice dark blue/green glossy finish on it.
I congratulate you on having such a trained ear, Dino. I wish I had that skill.D.i.n.o said:
Of course, as a guitar maker and seller, its in your financial interest to point out these superior woods and charge your customers more for them.
jimmerwoo said:
Things such as birdseye maple and flamed maple are strictly cosmetic. It won't sound better than regular maple. Its what the body and neck and fretboard are made of that counts. Some times a guitar will have a top thick enough to noticably effect the tone. A thick maple top can give a basswood or mahogany guitar a brighter sound while maintaining aspects of the main wood. Overall the wood counts for alot. the only way to find out for yourself is to listen to different guitars of different woods.
Hi Trent
I'm not disputing that wood type doesnt count. And I'm sure that played cleanly with no distortion or overdrive or wah etc....That every guitar would sound differently, because of the materials used.
My point is that the more you plug in the effects and amp modellers, the less it matters. Its just my opinion.
I'm not disputing that wood type doesnt count. And I'm sure that played cleanly with no distortion or overdrive or wah etc....That every guitar would sound differently, because of the materials used.
My point is that the more you plug in the effects and amp modellers, the less it matters. Its just my opinion.
Wood has to play a part in the sound. The way a string vibrates is reflected in teh sound the pickups produce... and anything that affects the way the string vibrates must play a role: rigidity of neck/body joint, density of wood, etc... the type of bridge... and also the finish... however, how much any single factor contributes the most is debatable, and I tend to favour teh idea that wood type, at the end of the day, is not a big factor. I think there's far too much "mythology" regarding electric guitar construction...
Just for the record, I provide service, repairs and custom paintjobs.jimmerwoo said:
I'm not in the business of selling wood.
I believe most players who care how they sound have an ear for tone.
And just FYI ... metal is no exception.
I feel bad you don't have an ear for tone Jimmerwoo.
But don't you think it's a little childish to attack my business simply because we don't share the same views?
I mean, if you're happy playing a plywood terd ... I say God Bless You. :Sylvia:
No, Dino. For the record...I think childishness is when someone calls somebody :nuts: for simply expressing their opinion and overdramatises things by saying their business has been attacked. If you can't take my opinions, I suggest not dishing the insults and coming back with a better argument than :nuts: Thats what this thread was started for.
Considering the responses so far in this thread, I would say that the argument that wood plays a big part in guitar tone is a ratio of about 60%. So I'm not alone in my opinion.
Once again, my OPINION is:
Referring to your other insult: My plywood "terd" (I normally spell it turd) sounds fantastic through my POD XT...and many people in this forum and others have said they love the tone.
I guess the Tone God must have blessed me.
Considering the responses so far in this thread, I would say that the argument that wood plays a big part in guitar tone is a ratio of about 60%. So I'm not alone in my opinion.
Once again, my OPINION is:
- The greater the number of effects, the less the wood counts for tone
Referring to your other insult: My plywood "terd" (I normally spell it turd) sounds fantastic through my POD XT...and many people in this forum and others have said they love the tone.
I guess the Tone God must have blessed me.
humm....i got 2 guitars, 1 a strat replica with a massive pick guard, and the other is a solid body guitar. playing em through the amp doesnt make much of a difference, but playing em acouticly makes a massive difference!!!!
though both guitars are made of basswood, the difference in brightness and volume makes a big difference. the strat just looks like the normal fender/squire strat. and i guess the differnce lies in its pickguard. the sound is amplified. though i hate my strat, but the sound and tone and clearity i like.
though both guitars are made of basswood, the difference in brightness and volume makes a big difference. the strat just looks like the normal fender/squire strat. and i guess the differnce lies in its pickguard. the sound is amplified. though i hate my strat, but the sound and tone and clearity i like.
To state that wood has no effect on tone is not an "opinion", it's ignorant.jimmerwoo said:
It's a proven fact, not an "opinion", and I'm sorry that I was unable to find a "smiley" that accurately represented your ignorance.
As far as the attack on my business ...
You obviously have no clue of exactly what my business is, thus making your statement that I sell people on wood, yet another ignorant statement.
Have a nice day.
not just that, but some guitars, like Steve Vai have been reported to be stuffing thier spring cavity(in the back of the guitar for a floyd rose/vintage bridge) with tissue paper.
i tried doing that just so i can get some steve vai godly vibe...but i HATED the tone right away. it makes my treble knob rather usless. it boosts my bass by alot. it makes my pinch harmonics/natural harmonics impossible, but most of all, it kills the very lil sustain i have due to the floyd rose. i mean, floyd rose bridges dont have much of a sustain comparing to a fixed bridge. thats a given, but to further cut the sustain is kinda annoying.
but jimmerwoo, sorry, but i would have to side with D.I.N.O. for this. i dont really care what he does for his business(well...actually, i do like his paint job!!!) but i would say that playing clean, tone does make a difference. not just for tone, but for different things like highs, mids and lows. some wood boosts the treble, while surpresses the bass. that would be good for lead guitar, or someone obsessed with harmonics. while others take away from treble. now, it would affect the guitar even if playing with a deathmetal + super distortion + drive boost pedals. but it wont be too obvious to somone listening, while it would be obvious to the player...or should.
i'm no good, but i can only tell the difference between mahagony and alder and atimes bass(only on strats with a pickgurad, or hollow body). and ive been playing for a lil under 2 years now.
but i dont really think wood would effect how a player plays. i mean, sure, if your signature is insane sustain for a minute or two like Gary Moore, then yes, it would effect what wood you use. but you can work around it by installing a Fernandez sustainer pickup.
so technology can always alter what the wood does naturally. i mean, there prolly is a reason why people dont make guitars made of ebony, yet do it for piano. sure,ebony is heavy, but i know people who arnt happy with their 15 lbs les paul coz its not heavy enough! so make it of ebony, and you're looking at about 10-20 lbs for a guitar.
i tried doing that just so i can get some steve vai godly vibe...but i HATED the tone right away. it makes my treble knob rather usless. it boosts my bass by alot. it makes my pinch harmonics/natural harmonics impossible, but most of all, it kills the very lil sustain i have due to the floyd rose. i mean, floyd rose bridges dont have much of a sustain comparing to a fixed bridge. thats a given, but to further cut the sustain is kinda annoying.
but jimmerwoo, sorry, but i would have to side with D.I.N.O. for this. i dont really care what he does for his business(well...actually, i do like his paint job!!!) but i would say that playing clean, tone does make a difference. not just for tone, but for different things like highs, mids and lows. some wood boosts the treble, while surpresses the bass. that would be good for lead guitar, or someone obsessed with harmonics. while others take away from treble. now, it would affect the guitar even if playing with a deathmetal + super distortion + drive boost pedals. but it wont be too obvious to somone listening, while it would be obvious to the player...or should.
i'm no good, but i can only tell the difference between mahagony and alder and atimes bass(only on strats with a pickgurad, or hollow body). and ive been playing for a lil under 2 years now.
but i dont really think wood would effect how a player plays. i mean, sure, if your signature is insane sustain for a minute or two like Gary Moore, then yes, it would effect what wood you use. but you can work around it by installing a Fernandez sustainer pickup.
so technology can always alter what the wood does naturally. i mean, there prolly is a reason why people dont make guitars made of ebony, yet do it for piano. sure,ebony is heavy, but i know people who arnt happy with their 15 lbs les paul coz its not heavy enough! so make it of ebony, and you're looking at about 10-20 lbs for a guitar.
Sol, of course you can agree with Dino, no hard feelings there.jimmerwoo said:
But you both seem to be not reading my posts!.... See above... I agree wood type is a factor to a degree! I mentioned in the post above, that when played cleanly it counts...and you can hear the difference. I almost say the same thing you have said.
I have never said it has no factor on tone... I just said that if you play metal and use aload of effects then the type of wood matters less and less the more effects you add. Dino doesnt agree with this view. How about you?
Nice save jimmerwoo.jimmerwoo said:
I guess it comes down to whether your personal style dictates playing guitar or playing effects.
I prefer playing guitar.
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