[DannyBoy]

lol sorry rid . but nobody really offers the same thing as vai .. and that was one of my points there . there are technically better players than vai . there are also players who are maybe only better at a certain thing . but the point was .. the thing vai offers .. is unique to vai .. nobody else can give you the vai experience .. same way nobody else could really give you the hendrix experience . im not dissing other players . i love a host of guitar masters . but for me vai is a real character and a real genius .. put it this way ... if music was a meal .. then i would order a helping of vai with a side order of malmsteen and a can of danzi .. cause i love those guys .. other people might order a zakk wylde main course with a dollop of hammet cream and a drink of satriani .. see what i mean ? lol .. phil hit on it . and ive hit on it in the past numerous times .. its all preference . but this is a vai thread .. for vai fans .. we praise him .. its what the sub forum was created for lol ... :jam:

 

[Rid]

Eat them and smile....hehe
Lol never mind really.

 

[strat78]

Does that have MSG in it?

 

[Guest]

Mr. Vai is indeed the living God of all guitars!

I think it's his sense of melody & harmony along with his propensity for the strange & unorthodox that gets me.
And he makes it all look so easy too!

:dance: :bowdown:
:rock:______:jam:

 

[Stiglar]

i am 16,

and i might sound bitter, as i'm passionate about guitar. and i hate the way guys like u fuss over vai, wenever vai is overrated, and shudnt be fussed over by ppl like u. as u said, u cud teach vai a thing or two, how come u wudnt get talked about as much? vai, is always stuck in my face, my friends always argue, how he's best since hendrix, which makes me laugh. if satch didn't teach vai, i bet vai wudnt be where he is, although vai, gets more credit, and IMO, satch is a better guitarist, also his teacher, his biggest inspiration. i guess i'm a little jealous of vai, but aren't we all? we all wana be on that stage, on the front of guitar magazines, and rockin' every venue around the world and gettin paid millions, just for doing something u love. i'll be there one day, wait and see:icon_thum

Vai is Vai enough said !

No one will ever be like him period ! .

from my personal feelings i've always seen satriani's stuff and alot of other similar players as fun and technical but "do-able" if i really sat down and went for it (and that's not me talking myself up i mean anyone)

vai's stuff. ... just seems from another planet to me technically and musically like just so out there it's beyond me and that really inspires me that someone can get to that level . go catch him on tour and it'll be the greatest thing you will ever see !

the players you mentioned are great yes , but they're completely different players to vai he is his own catergory .

oh yeah and thanks for stealing my avatar!

 

[mickey_g107]

hahaha stig when i saw that peavy guys post with your avatar i thought it was you, im thinking why is stig saying this...??? but now i see the light

listen all you people that don't think vai is the king of everything with strings on it and beyond, go and listen to one of his albums, and then when you can get out of the feetal positition come and talk to me again

another thing, peavy, firstly change your avatar, secondly, im self taught and i still think vai is the kinf of everything. besides, sure satriani taught him scales and shit when he was 14 but so fucking what, he learnt everything he knows himself, you think anyone can teach licks as hot as that? you also say that when your on stage playing for the love of god and shit you would prefer to be playing circles and summer song, well how about you post up your recordings and lets see just how close you get to them, then we'll see if your argument is valid.

did i do good phil? hahaha

 

[Beka4MikE]

not guitar fans can sit back and listen to satch, his music creation is brilliant. he's unique.. he brings bluesy rock n roll, into excellent instrumental guitar playing. he creates beautiful melodies, and adds in soul overtaking solo's that i love, and love to play.

personally, wen i'm giggin', and doing 'for the love of god' or any vai song, i enjoy it as i enjoy playing, and that's vai's bestt song for me. it has the most passion.. but to the point, wen giggin, or jammin, i always prefer to play, the likes of summer song, extremist, surfin', circles, potato head groove, etc. than any vai song. i guess vai, just seems like another tutored geek, just like petrucci, michael angelo etc.

it ain't wat u can do, it's how u do it. satch portrays everything excellently, and i've never seen satch make mistakes, can't say that for vai. vai's style, he uses basic tricks, but due to his physical appearance, and performance, and overacting, makes it all look like a spectacular show. but wen u know those tricks inside out, it just makes me laugh..

my top 5 guitarists, who are all self taught, and who i believe are better than vai :

ed van halen
john sykes
satch
brian setzer
mark knopfler...

btw, danny gatton wud blow vai off stage. although i have somewhat, some sorta like for vai... i like his guitar and amps. :rock:

If you haven't seen guitarist make mistakes then watch the live at Denver G3 concert. occasional flubs......non muting of strings......that includes Satch.......you can't be perfect everytime but those guys on there are all in their own rights just awesome. Each has their own flame they bring to the table....in my book they are all guitar gods!

 

[mickey_g107]

listen, when guitarist make a dvd they go to the studio and record over the mistakes, you did know that didn't you?
if the miss a harmonic they go to the studio and fix it up, its a dvd it has to be perfect! when you see him live youll see

 

[DannyBoy]

i still say that satch is less prone to mistakes simply cause he tends to stand still when he plays the more intricate parts . where as vai dances around in time with his playing .. ALL of his playing . not many dudes can do that . so there may be guys technically who can play better than vai . but i would bet money not many of them can play that technically while prancing about on stage and managing to not bump in to any of the other 3 guitarists on stage (T Mac , Sheehan , Weiner and Sardinas at times lol) .

as far as im concerned people who don't like vai just dont GET him .. they dont understand what hes about . and they never will . Passion and Warfare is the height of shredd for me . shredd done excellently and used perfectly in every song and actually used differently in every song . really truly awesome stuff . there are guitar players who can play awesome blues .. there are players who can play heavy metal . there are rock gods ... there are jazz monsters ... there are neo classical blazers ... and then theres steve Vai ... the jack of all trades ... long live the king . long live Mr Vai :rock:

 

[Guitaristic]

yes vai rocks, best guitarist i've ever heard, but i'm quite sure there is/will be someone better than him

 

[strat78]

yes vai rocks, best guitarist i've ever heard, but i'm quite sure there is/will be someone better than him

Thats my opening!
-Yeah, that would be Holdsworth, but he is not obsessed with grabbing our attention via performance: canned body language and flashy and gushy licks vs. stirring technique. Come on guys, don't kill me :thumb:

 

[Lydian]

I quite like holdsworth so right on.

 

[Stiglar]

i must say from what i've heard of holdsworths playing he is exceptional ... i've only listened to a couple of albums but whoa ! .. some of the tones he can squeeze out of that guitar are just incredible legato runs and so forth it's just great technique all over !

 

[strat78]

I don't want to take away from Vai 'cause I'm really diggin' him tonight but, visit this site http://www.therealallanholdsworth.com/allanshome.htm
Its really another realm entirely. There is a sound file that automatically comes in when you visit that site: just listen to the subtlety of his playing, its like a woodwind instrument that actually breaths. I love the guitar, like most of us do on this site so, I just can't dismiss Holdsworth as being boring. There is something golden and fucking sublime that he tries to achieve (and on many occasions does achieve) with six strings and a little distortion.

 

[mab8485]

i still say that satch is less prone to mistakes simply cause he tends to stand still when he plays the more intricate parts . where as vai dances around in time with his playing .. ALL of his playing . not many dudes can do that . so there may be guys technically who can play better than vai . but i would bet money not many of them can play that technically while prancing about on stage and managing to not bump in to any of the other 3 guitarists on stage (T Mac , Sheehan , Weiner and Sardinas at times lol) .

as far as im concerned people who don't like vai just dont GET him .. they dont understand what hes about . and they never will . Passion and Warfare is the height of shredd for me . shredd done excellently and used perfectly in every song and actually used differently in every song . really truly awesome stuff . there are guitar players who can play awesome blues .. there are players who can play heavy metal . there are rock gods ... there are jazz monsters ... there are neo classical blazers ... and then theres steve Vai ... the jack of all trades ... long live the king . long live Mr Vai :rock:

Exactly! When i saw him in sydney, at the end of the attitude song, Steve and Dave were jumping into each other back first and still kept playing :lol: Im convinced ill never see a better show in my lifetime.

 

[DannyBoy]

holdsworth is technically better than vai .. yes ... but is he Steve Siro Vai ? ... no hes not .. lol .. and i thats my point .. i dunno if you didn't get it .. or did get it but wanted to make a point of your own or whatever .. but holdsworth isnt vai .. he doesn't want to be .. but it equates to the same thing .. nobody is Steve Vai and nobody can offer what Vai offers .. . i can't say it any clearer so i wont make any more comments on this thread lol:dance: the banana has spoken

 

[Lydian]

You're right. But you're also missing the point that noone is Allan Holdswroth either. And noone can offer what Allan Holdsworth offers. And noone is Jimi Hendrix and can offer what Jimi Hendrix offers. It's not like Vai is the only person to be an individual. Anyways, this IS a vai forum afterall.

 

[DannyBoy]

nope didn't miss the point at all .. but you missed mine . holdsworth isnt vai . this is a Vai forum VAI VAI VAI x10

 

[Riff Addict]

Although I respect Vai and yeah he's an amazing guitarist, but I can honestly say that his solo stuff just doesn't do anything for me at all really. I feel the same about Malmsteen, Satch and most "technical" guitarists. I only like him with rock bands like Whitesnake. I guess I'm just too "Rock n roll".

There are just certain elements that Rock music must have in order for it to interest me and thats the "Rock" element, the "Band" element as opposed to just soloing for 4 minutes. The element of "structure" with traditional Powerful riffs, Verse, chorus, 20 second solo before last verse..etc. I love shredding solos but only for a few seconds during the standard solo break in most rock songs.

I listened to Passion & Warfare last night. A friend of mine had it but he didn't like it so I gave it a listen and it bored me to tears. I listened to as much of each song as I could stand to. Each song was just nothing but constant soloing and it was as exciting to me as listening to someone type on a keyboard. It got very old quick.

The man can play but its just not for me. I tried. Just gimme some good old Priest, Van Halen, Whitesnake, Maiden, Dokken.......and I'll be happy.

I'm NOT putting anyone down for their love of Vai's music...I respect everyones interests and thats cool if you're into it. Just was bored and put my two cents in. Please don't throw rocks at me:lol:

 

[Stiglar]

uh oh now you've done it riff addict :lol:

i can understand where your coming from however i say this .. just listened to it a few times before you totally make up your mind

i know some of vai's music is mega dense and takes some time to get into...

check out fire garden maybe you'll enjoy some of the vocal tracks that are more traditional i guess but still with that vai flavour ...

fire garden is prolly my favourite vai album at the moment